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    Quote Originally Posted by SeventhArchon View Post
    HOG is fine/optional and mages in solo are mostly trash for different reasons.
    Doesn't come the fact that people made it meta on their own instead of trying out other items. That's why team comps that play an irregular style different compared to the meta always win. It's the fact that the player team can't comp with the choices and end up getting flustered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiyobiKumagawa View Post
    The reasoning behind it was a couple of reasons I still find dumb to this day:
    1. The item apparently created an objective meta.
    2. It allowed people to waveclear efficiently aka nerfing it allows mages back into solo.
    3. People were tired of seeing HoG becoming mandatory.
    4. People themselves.
    I don't find any of those reasons dumb at all. It gave gods who had poor wave clear better wave clear when they shouldn't have it. 25% of a gold fury and fire giant was just stupid ridiculous...beyond stupid really. It broke the game, it was mandatory because it broke the game. It needed to go, so people over use and abuse items...like Blink. Giving every god a 45 second teleport is horrible.
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    Fist is still useful, having a 1s stun is never bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McKnightrider View Post
    I don't find any of those reasons dumb at all. It gave gods who had poor wave clear better wave clear when they shouldn't have it. 25% of a gold fury and fire giant was just stupid ridiculous...beyond stupid really. It broke the game, it was mandatory because it broke the game. It needed to go, so people over use and abuse items...like Blink. Giving every god a 45 second teleport is horrible.
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    Fist is still useful, having a 1s stun is never bad.
    The reverse is now instead of an objective meta, you now have a meta based around ganking people who are trying to claim the objective. Going for the Gold Fury is usually okay but actually doesn't provide any more gold than a tier 2 tower, and sacking a tier 2 tower is a victory that the enemy team will NEVER get back. Going for the Fire Giant is essentially just suicide unless a 2-3 enemy gods are dead.
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    HoG is a trash item.

    If you are still learning the game go ahead and buy it, but once you reach Lv. 20+ start trying to play without it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoudAndAnnoying View Post
    Fist of the gods is good on quite a large number of characters, xing tian for example can use it to jump in and stun people, which is a great thing for a support to be able to do, and in general any character can increase a stun chain with an extra hit from it.

    Also a ton of assassins benefit from it to help them get their damage of easier.
    Sure, a stun is always welcome for every god. But is it worth it? I'd say not on supports, since their job is not on those lines. Blink is still useful for many of them, shell is so too, both curses are great... no space for a stun hog in that space, IMO. And, actually, XIng is a good example, because he's probably more of a solo god than a support one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLethalCorgi View Post
    On Kali and Loki it works wonders
    In the current meta you never want hog on kali or loki.
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    Blink+beads 99% of the time, the last 1% should NOT be hog.

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    It's somewhat needed for junglers like Nemesis who struggle with early camp clears, but you can pass up on it with gods who have stronger clears. Bluestone + power potion is all the rage right now, keeps your active slots free in the meantime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Konfuzfanten View Post
    In the current meta you never want hog on kali or loki.
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    Blink+beads 99% of the time, the last 1% should NOT be hog.
    Loki has his invis for safe approaches, I don't see why he needs blink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoudAndAnnoying View Post
    Loki has his invis for safe approaches, I don't see why he needs blink.
    While I would usually buy TP/Beads, it's arguable why Blink would work. Allows him to jump into a fight without needing to waste his ult, or if his invis is on CD and he needs to escape
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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishPotato View Post
    While I would usually buy TP/Beads, it's arguable why Blink would work. Allows him to jump into a fight without needing to waste his ult, or if his invis is on CD and he needs to escape
    Yea, pretty much this.
    You use the blink as an initiate in the middle of a team fight on a 50% or lower target, kill that guy, then ult to get a way or ult the next 50% health guy. Either get a free kill and guaranteed escape or getting 2 kills winning the team fight.
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    100% better then a 1 sec stun.

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