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    "Don't take HoG"

    Why? Is it not still important as a tool for securing big objectives? I keep seeing people bring up that the clear time is too slow to be worth it, or that it's not necessary to clear. Of course this is true because that's not its primary purpose. I don't understand how people just toss it aside as if they aren't going to get Fire Giant and Fury stolen from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rehabilitate View Post
    Is it not still important as a tool for securing big objectives?
    This is the answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rehabilitate View Post
    Why? Is it not still important as a tool for securing big objectives? I keep seeing people bring up that the clear time is too slow to be worth it, or that it's not necessary to clear. Of course this is true because that's not its primary purpose. I don't understand how people just toss it aside as if they aren't going to get Fire Giant and Fury stolen from them.
    The reasoning behind it was a couple of reasons I still find dumb to this day:
    1. The item apparently created an objective meta.
    2. It allowed people to waveclear efficiently aka nerfing it allows mages back into solo.
    3. People were tired of seeing HoG becoming mandatory.
    4. People themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiyobiKumagawa View Post
    The reasoning behind it was a couple of reasons I still find dumb to this day:
    1. The item apparently created an objective meta.
    2. It allowed people to waveclear efficiently aka nerfing it allows mages back into solo.
    3. People were tired of seeing HoG becoming mandatory.
    4. People themselves.
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    Mostly, it doesn't do enough damage anymore for it to effectively secure any objective. Ra's ulti, Poseidon's kraken, etc. do the job much better, and this frees space to other better actives. I think stunning hog is still used by some junglers, but I'm not a good jungler so no idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sepherim View Post
    Mostly, it doesn't do enough damage anymore for it to effectively secure any objective. Ra's ulti, Poseidon's kraken, etc. do the job much better, and this frees space to other better actives. I think stunning hog is still used by some junglers, but I'm not a good jungler so no idea.
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    I've noticed this as well. As a LoL jungler transitioning over, I'd always take the bumbas and HoG. It just seemed like the thing to do being used to taking machete/smite.

    However, the more I play, the more I notice that many people do not do this. I've liked playing Ao Kuang jungle, and always seem to level up as fast as my laners. But maybe I should look into some different item starts. There doesn't seem to be a "pro builds" site for smite like there is for LoL.

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    HOG is fine/optional and mages in solo are mostly trash for different reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sepherim View Post
    Mostly, it doesn't do enough damage anymore for it to effectively secure any objective. Ra's ulti, Poseidon's kraken, etc. do the job much better, and this frees space to other better actives. I think stunning hog is still used by some junglers, but I'm not a good jungler so no idea.
    Fist of the gods is good on quite a large number of characters, xing tian for example can use it to jump in and stun people, which is a great thing for a support to be able to do, and in general any character can increase a stun chain with an extra hit from it.

    Also a ton of assassins benefit from it to help them get their damage of easier.

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    If you start game with the 900 gold version (preferably the stun one, since it's more useful outside of the jungle), then you can in fact, clear a camp instantly, as well as really ruin a GF/FG's day, and is also an extra stun on a god.

    You're giving up your starter item to get it, but it might be worth it to just start the game with it. It won't help you farm lanes or whatever, but it will help with ganks as well as clearing camps without taking too much damage during the early game.
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