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    Angry so called: Guardians

    Why do guardians have such high dmg scaling, literally all they need to do is grab 1 dmg item among their def items and their skills deal 300-700 dmg. If they are supposed to be tanky why almost all guardians have passives which give them more dmg in some way. Then someone would say stuff like 'don't get hit', 'use beads/magis' for their cc.... but it's nearly impossible to deal with more than one guardian spamming their skills. Idk if hi rez is building their balance patches around conquest where you deal with one guardian, but in the rest of the modes its more common to see 2 guardians wiping the whole team, esp in joust. It is anyway hard enough to deal with their tankiness and the amount of cc but once you get to taste the dmg everything changes. Classes like hunters/mages/some assassins get down in 2-3 shots while the guardians take tons of them, eat the little cc others have and deal some massive dmg. And if thats not enough once you have 2 of them who either stack mystic mail or burst you down in a second it's nearly impossible to win.

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    Not all guardians, top of my head - Ares def. the most damaging and OP guardian (not best, but op), Ymir, Kumb. So like 3.

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    Don't forget bacchus with his passive/belly flop and ult. Athena can also deal some dmg with her 3 ;x and i've also never seen a negative sobek but atleast his main dmg comes from his ult not all of this skills =x

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    yeah, bacchus is alright, but not the best "guardian", not very picked now adays too, there are much better picks.

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    Ymir is immobile and his spells have a delay of 10 minutes.
    Sylvanus, Geb and Khepri deal no damage.
    Bacchus and Ares have limited clear.
    Athena has only one good instance of CC.
    Khepri silences himself in his 1 and has no AoE hard CC.
    Kumbhakarna screws himself over with DR.
    Cabrakan and Hades are horrid hard tanks.
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    Usually guardians have poor scaling, so they rely on base damage as their main source of output lategame.
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    I think guardians need an adjustment to their base damage and increase to scaling. Instead of having 360+40% scaling, it should be something like 280+75% scaling. The higher the scaling the more a guardian would need to dedicate to power. Right now a Ymir is going to do 700+ damage to you with NO damaging abilities outside of boots. Freeze+Glacier strike on any mage is going to put a huge dent in them. lowering guardians base attack and increase scaling would make them more reliant on building actual damage items, rather than, I have 600 base damage in an ability, no need to build anything!

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    Quote Originally Posted by McKnightrider View Post
    I think guardians need an adjustment to their base damage and increase to scaling. Instead of having 360+40% scaling, it should be something like 280+75% scaling. The higher the scaling the more a guardian would need to dedicate to power. Right now a Ymir is going to do 700+ damage to you with NO damaging abilities outside of boots. Freeze+Glacier strike on any mage is going to put a huge dent in them. lowering guardians base attack and increase scaling would make them more reliant on building actual damage items, rather than, I have 600 base damage in an ability, no need to build anything!
    A mage's job is to build power and destroy enemies with scaling.
    A guardian's job is to build defense and dent enemies with base damage for other classes to defeat.
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    (To OP) Get out. (Guardians can be other roles than just SUPPORTS. Ex: Ymir Jungler, Kumbhakarna Solo, Hades Solo, Cabraken Jungler, Athena Jungler, etc.)
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