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    Quote Originally Posted by McKnightrider View Post
    So is there any update on what stacks and what doesn't? Haven't got a confirmed straight answer. Plus ne of the developers has stated that one or more stack with Midgardian mail.
    From what I tested, Midgardian and Enfeebling Curse stacks with everything.
    It's just Frostbound Hammer, Witchblade and Runic Shield that don't stack with each other.... for reasons.
    Frostbound in fact overrides the debuff from either of the other two, making it counter productive.

    The really confusing thing is that no other aura works this way. You can have multiple buffs to the same stat stack with each other.
    EX: Lotus Crown + Heartward Amulet + Sovereignty (and probably Sou Eater as well)

    Is there any particular reason for this inconsistency of rules? No, not really.
    Hirez knows and has no comment evidently.

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    Heartward and Sovereignty do not stack, Lotus Crown will just reset the Cooldown of the ability.

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    Auras and debuffs are weird, I'll try to simplify it as much as I can:

    • The same aura does not stack with each other, apart from Mystical Mail which does, for reasons.
    • Debuffs from the same item do not stack with each other.
    • Allies with an item that buffs themselves like Fatalis and Ichaival do separately get the same buff.
    • Attack speed slows don't stack with each other, apart from debuffs from a skill a god has casted.
    • Apart from Midguardian Mail, which is an applied debuff, not an attack speed slow item.
    • And Enfeebling Curse, which is also a debuff, not a slow.
    • The greatest attack speed slow does not always take precedence.
    • The latest attack speed slow applies, so Frostbound will make the AS slow from Witch Blade worse.
    • Movement speed slows do stack, but are affected by DR and there is a lower cap.


    In short, same auras do not stack, apart from Mystical Mail; attack speed slows do not stack, but attack speed debuffs do; movement speed slows are affected by DR and have a lower cap. We make the distinction between a debuff/buff, which do stack with other items and not with itself; and slows/damage effects which are weird and make no sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knuffiba View Post
    In the end, the only "attack speed debuff item" is frostbound. This is actually a wrong tooltip and has been reported to HiRez several times.
    Runic Shield, Midgardian Mail. And I have heard that Frostbound bugs with Witchblade (at least used to).

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    Do Witchblade and Runic stack though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeventhArchon View Post
    Do Witchblade and Runic stack though?
    No. Witch Blade/Runic Shield/Frostbound Hammer do not stack. Midguardian Mail does stack and Enfeebling Curse does stack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexError View Post
    No. Witch Blade/Runic Shield/Frostbound Hammer do not stack. Midguardian Mail does stack and Enfeebling Curse does stack.
    So what happens when you get Witchblade and Runic together but none of the other?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeventhArchon View Post
    So what happens when you get Witchblade and Runic together but none of the other?
    Their power is lowered by 50 MP and 30 PP, your attack speed is lowered by 20% but that doesn't stack with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagicFighter View Post
    Their power is lowered by 50 MP and 30 PP, your attack speed is lowered by 20% but that doesn't stack with them.
    So both power reductions and one AS reduction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeventhArchon View Post
    So both power reductions and one AS reduction?
    That's right.

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