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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtremelyCasual View Post
    As a Rank X Diamond Hel player...I would have played her no matter what she looked like. Kit > Design.

    Which is the main reason why I don't get why anybody cares so much what the designs are. As long as they're true to the original lore....why are you complaining so much? Again, I thought we killed off the Rhodonites a while ago....I miss not having them around.


    ....You're going to end up making me link the video again, aren't you?
    Basically this.

    Remember that these are mythological gods. They're meant to be depicted as if they were from that era (e.g. Ancient Egypt) while not having blood nor nudity everywhere. They also need to respect today's culture and clothing. It's harder than it looks.

    That said, Merc and Herc in tuxedos I wouldn't mind as skins. Snazzy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramey View Post
    "Show a male god with perfect muscles that makes you question your manliness and noone bats an eye.
    Show a female goddess with hot body and everyone loses their minds."
    That's how I see all those complains. Besides if you really want to be accurate with the mythology, half of them should be running naked.
    Agreed. I assume the OP is bitching about Awilix or whatever. I got my first look in game (EVERY game) yesterday and I think she's just a re-skinned Neith using the same base model with darker skin tone some tattoos and a different facial remodel. Frankly I don't give a fuck, that's pretty lazy but sexist? Fucking please. If you don't like it don't buy it - same for the Neith skin (I don't play Neith but that one is tamer than the nurse).
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    Their complaints aren't hurting the game or the community. However, a lot of the trolling you guys do around here more than hurts Smite's development, community, rep and chances of further success.
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    For me, all this hyper-sexualization of the female form on video game is just a reflex of our society and we can't do much to change it anymore, big corporations are putting a lot of money on that.

    The biggest problem with Hi-Rez depiction of the goddesses, for me, is that they are making them sound and look like teenagers. Awilix is the most recent example of that. She's a mayan goddess - from a pantheon known to have only crazy, bloodthirsty gods, and they made her sound like the "friendly chick of the jungle". She should be a ferocious woman, with some really badass attitude, not this "lunar-tic" that doesn't even have an ACCENT on her voice! Neith is another perfect example of that. She's considered the mother of Egyptian gods, but is depicted as a teenager trying to show off.

    Of course, if it was possible I would like to see some changes at the vast majority of the models, but this definitely not going to happen...

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    In my opinion,yes,some of the are oversexualized,and I'm talking about males and females.But don't forget that a lot of them were depicted as naked for both sexes,also Athena,Artemis,and some other might be over-proportionated and the same issue goes for males too,the size of muscles and shit but they did try their best to represent them,because after all they're gods and goddesses.
    Take Kali for example,she isn't wearing anything to cover her cleavage,just some flowers.And as for Afrodite,she's naked all of the time.

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    Also same thing goes for Chaac,he wasn't meant to be a steroids jock.

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    I think the biggest example is He Bo.
    In all Chinese myths, He Bo is pictured as a wise old man, guardian of the Yellow River. his first model was, imho quite accurate.
    Then, they had to make him slimmer, more muscular (c'mon, that guy could arm wrestle with Hulk Hogan) and overall, sexier.
    I don't say badass, because i don't believe that he actually looks better than he used to.

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    I wonder what would happen if the gods where actually designed as those on ancient paintings and sculptures. I bet at least 50% of community would rage why their beloved gods has been changed and moved to another game with overly sexualized characters. You must deal with the society and can't dictate my penis on what is attractive. I wonder if ancient people considered those representations as attractive, because you know, point of view on what's beautiful changed throu centuries, for example fat women were considered hot, cause they could give birth to a lot of kids etc. Or maybe people back then just sucked at creating art. Now I imagine some ancient guy saying : "Damn, those gods of yours are so ugly, they were so sexy back im ny days" xd
    My question is not "Are they too sexy?" cause they are, but rather "Are they supposed to be too sexy?"
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    Well, she is half beautiful. Also, if HiRez bitches so much about making even a recolor to Hel, "because its too much work", do you actually think they would do two models for her? The current differences on her stances are merely edits of the same model. Surely the first one had her as an ugly woman, but she was still only half accurate as well.


    Quote Originally Posted by Shaman View Post
    NO ANCIENT DEPICTION OF EGYPTIANS goddesses were "Sexy."
    You mean like some of them which had the boobs exposed? Do you actually think they didn't find them sexy with those?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilaro View Post
    Those boots, stockings or whatever made her sexier... it's a shame that they removed it... less clothes does not necessarily mean more sexy, Hirez!
    This.

    Quote Originally Posted by AldeaoPobre View Post
    For me, all this hyper-sexualization of the female form on video game is just a reflex of our society and we can't do much to change it anymore, big corporations are putting a lot of money on that.

    The biggest problem with Hi-Rez depiction of the goddesses, for me, is that they are making them sound and look like teenagers. Awilix is the most recent example of that. She's a mayan goddess - from a pantheon known to have only crazy, bloodthirsty gods, and they made her sound like the "friendly chick of the jungle". She should be a ferocious woman, with some really badass attitude, not this "lunar-tic" that doesn't even have an ACCENT on her voice! Neith is another perfect example of that. She's considered the mother of Egyptian gods, but is depicted as a teenager trying to show off.

    Of course, if it was possible I would like to see some changes at the vast majority of the models, but this definitely not going to happen...
    Well, Xbalanque, Hun Batz and Ah Muzen Cab are not what I'd call bloodthirsty. And why exactly is she supposed to be bloodthirsty? Don't we have enough of these gods yet? Which goddess is exactly nice here? Chang'e and Neith? What about the assassins? Why all of them must be some crazy killers?

    Also, how can you tell that Neith did not have the face of a teenager? They all had the same face in the depictions. If HiRez went for that they would have just made one model.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lamedonyx View Post
    I think the biggest example is He Bo.
    In all Chinese myths, He Bo is pictured as a wise old man, guardian of the Yellow River. his first model was, imho quite accurate.
    Then, they had to make him slimmer, more muscular (c'mon, that guy could arm wrestle with Hulk Hogan) and overall, sexier.
    I don't say badass, because i don't believe that he actually looks better than he used to.
    Which chinese myths? The ones you wrote? He was never a wise old man, he was an arrogant adult (one that looks seriously stereotyped in ancient chinese art, with the same tied hair and same moustache). If they went for the same depictions, every single chinese adult god in SMITE would have the same face (and He Bo has the tied hair too, so he is closer). The only thing wrong with He Bo is that he was shown as either transforming into a dragon or having a charriot pulled by two dragons, while in SMITE he just blasts water and scrolls.

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    Can we just agree on that people will bitch and whine about this regardless of if there were uncovered genitalia or if they were dressed like they were at a funeral?

    It's a game with mythological gods, for fuck's sake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macaulyn View Post
    Well, she is half beautiful. Also, if HiRez bitches son much about making even a recolor to Hel, "because its too much work", do you actually think they would do two models for her? The current differences on her stances are merely edits of the same model. Surely the first one had her as an ugly woman, but she was still only half accurate as well.
    You didnt catch the hint of snarkness in my reply? I wasn't beimg serious in a sense; now I know its no secret current he'll is (was) my most disliked character model in the game, but I more male fun of it now then argue it. I argued it on the old forum where the first preview of it was released, I'm through arguing it now. But I will say, if they want to stop their own bitching, then change it! Merge the light and dark form into one model. They wouldnt even have to touch the kit to do so, then they only need to do money grabs for just one skin like with every other god.

    Quote Originally Posted by Macaulyn View Post
    You mean like some of them which had the boobs exposed? Do you actually think they didn't find them sexy with those?
    Really? Just really? I know we never agree on anything Macaulyn, but I honestly believed that you was above this type of counter argument.....

    Figure painters and male art students, when we stand in that studio and draw completely nude females, do you believe we are thinking; "sexy?" There is no yes or no answer, to this, because while the guy next to me may think this woman who's vagina and/or breast we can see in plain view is sexy. I'm not and there is a chance the other guy next to us is either way?

    So why is ancient Egypt magically different? Only thing that changes over years is; "who rules who," "who's religion was dominant," and "who did what!" The nature of a person never changes.. Ancient Rome, known for all types of sexual pleasures and freedoms, had people who moved and acted like saints just like during the dark ages, the height of Christianity's power, there were nonstop perversions and nudity.

    Nudity in almost MOST ancient cultures had more to it then just "this is sexy;" nudity in some African, and south American cultures actually held spiritual meanings, like being closer to the nature and the spirits that dwelled in it.


    Definition of sexy via google

    adjective
    sexually attractive or exciting.
    "sexy French underwear"
    synonyms: sexually attractive, seductive, desirable, alluring, toothsome, sensual, sultry, slinky, provocative, tempting, tantalizing; More
    erotic, sexually explicit, arousing, exciting, stimulating, hot, titillating, racy, naughty, risqué, adult, X-rated;
    rude, pornographic, crude, lewd;
    informalraunchy, steamy, porno, blue, skin, XXX
    sexually aroused.
    "neither of them was feeling sexy"
    synonyms: (sexually) aroused, sexually excited, amorous, lustful, passionate; More
    informal
    exciting; appealing.
    "I've climbed most of the really sexy west coast mountains"
    synonyms: exciting, stimulating, interesting, appealing, intriguing, slick, red-hot
    "a sexy sales promotion"

    Do you see nude/nudity/naked anywhere in this definition? No, because nudity isn't always a key component of "sexy" nudity again, DOES NOT EQUAL SEXY, unless nudity is just a attraction TO XYZ person.

    Lovis Corinth- the nude figure, Female Nude at Atelier Stool ,
    1886. Oil on canvas, 73 × 50 cm, B.-C. 29.

    Even If I was to look at this without breaking down the Value, Anatomy, and Composition, and just looked at it as a picture; sexually aroused is the las thing I'd get....

    Compared to something like these, that intent is actually meant to be sexual.






    http://www.artofwei.com/wp-content/u...rawing_Gal.jpg

    http://th04.deviantart.net/fs71/300W...bf-d4yotj9.jpg


    And please don't try to take this as a "holier then thy" statement, I've drawn rule 34 plenty of times, and no, this is a Rhodinite response; because I've always stood on the fence when it came to this game trying to bridge a understanding for both sides, there is no absolute!

    Also, I like all these pictures I posted, just saying
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