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    Lotus Crown gives too much physical protection

    60 Physical prot (not even considering the +20 from passive) is way too much for this item considering all of the other stats and the passive it gives.

    The price is only 2050, but I don't even care about the price, this is too much value in one item slot. This is basically a tank item that mages can buy without losing much.
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    Lotus Crown is a trap item and is only good on like two characters. You can't really nerf it when its average at best compared to most mage items, honestly comparing the stats to a handful of items for Magical Gods its actually pretty tame lol.

    Celestial Legion Helm is a better defensive option for Healer Mages anyway.
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    Celestial Legion Helm is the item you're looking for, when it comes to a tanky item Mages can get without losing much. Given it has significantly more power on it and has a really high amount of physical prots when fully stacked.

    Lotus Crown is just for healers so they can still help keep their team alive a bit even when they get anti-healed to heck.

    It also has some minor utility on gods with self heals (Such as Artio, Fafnir, Sobek, Zhong Kui and Sol) as a cheap prots item.

    Outside of that, it's mostly meh... It's stats are bad. 30 power is nothing for magicals. 20 MP5 is irrelevant when it wants to compete with BoV for a Phys Prot + MP5 item to which it loses, badly.

    Then, outside of the actual healing gods, getting the proc isn't particularly easily maintained or that useful (20 prots on a single person is kind of meh... 20 prots on a whole team from an AoE heal like provided by Chang'e/Hel/Ra/Sylvanus is kind of okay-ish. Basically, those gods can get essentially Sov + Heart auras with just a single item and their heals)
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    Celestial is a bit over top i think but still so many other items on a mage wish list. Lotus meh. Just grab titans or exec.

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    Right now, Celestial Legion Helm > Lotus Crown. Double the power (60 versus 30), 10 more Physical Protections when fully stacked (90 physical prots at max stacks).

    Should be nerfed a bit in the near future, maybe a bump in cost and/or decrease in prots.

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    Can we stack all the defensive aura items (Sov, Heartward, Thebes, Lotus Crown)?

    Full team buff
    -> + 45 physical prots
    -> Sov +15, Thebes +10, Lotus Crown + 20 for 5 secs,
    -> + 25 after Lotus Crown wears off until healer reapplies heal

    -> + 45 magical prots
    -> Heartward +15, Thebes +10, Lotus Crown + 20 for 5 secs,
    -> + 25 after Lotus Crown wears off until healer reapplies heal

    -> + 25 HP5, + 20 MP5

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    Quote Originally Posted by loupblanc10kai View Post
    Can we stack all the defensive aura items (Sov, Heartward, Thebes, Lotus Crown)?

    Full team buff
    -> + 45 physical prots
    -> Sov +15, Thebes +10, Lotus Crown + 20 for 5 secs,
    -> + 25 after Lotus Crown wears off until healer reapplies heal

    -> + 45 magical prots
    -> Heartward +15, Thebes +10, Lotus Crown + 20 for 5 secs,
    -> + 25 after Lotus Crown wears off until healer reapplies heal

    -> + 25 HP5, + 20 MP5
    Pretty sure you can but the pay off isn't worth it, Ares is the only one who can justify building 2 of them at a time in this meta (the extra 20 from a second doesn't give much to your allies at the point you're building the second).

    Looking at the numbers Jade Emperors Crown does more than Sovereignty at protecting your allies and yourself post-nerfs to Sovereignty and Heartward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VlentisFlyheightis View Post
    Pretty sure you can but the pay off isn't worth it, Ares is the only one who can justify building 2 of them at a time in this meta (the extra 20 from a second doesn't give much to your allies at the point you're building the second).

    Looking at the numbers Jade Emperors Crown does more than Sovereignty at protecting your allies and yourself post-nerfs to Sovereignty and Heartward.
    Ah ok, just checking whether there is a hard cap on team aura buffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loupblanc10kai View Post
    Ah ok, just checking whether there is a hard cap on team aura buffs.
    There isn't but Sylvanus who would be a contender is easy to kite, the odds of you managing to provide all that aura, as much as you want, are slim.

    Hel could also but she really wants other stats to be useful for team, like power, pen and cdr and possibly also ms. In her case its simply not worth.

    Better if everyone on team wanting a lil extra prot goes magis or discord or urchin, the trade off in total would be less, and its more reliable - you as sylv do not need to be perfect position all time and also not die.

    Spreading it out though works way better, you can have the sov on the front, the HW on the back (or toher way around depending on enemy line up) and a healer with lotus. If team build some hybrid health items on that (like a mage with gem or warlocks), hunter with frost or blackthorn maybe (though depending on hunter they
    can afford full glass cannon, jing wei for example, while a skadi probably wanna play into that prot buffer idea) and jungler with magis you could look at a team with high base prots, good hp buffer and good sustain with the healer that would be really though to deal with in the mid game, for late the auras mean less but as tanky items they are still valuable to the tanks and the aura and buffer on team along with heal could still swing a fight. If done right you force a lot of items from enemy team as they need flat pen, antiheal and % pen along with good power to take your team, their tank also needs to be hardcore tanky and sustainable to live long enough to bring down your bulky team (or they need to go dmg to burst you down), further putting stress on rest of their team to counter build. Add a midgardian and a witchblade in that mix and you have some serious debuffing while still having sustain on your team. Very rare to face this idea and I believe it needs a very well coordinated team to work but I think it can be really strong, though yes countered by some picks that can bring prot shred and anti heal in their kits (nemesis, serqet, odin etc). But if you can avoid them getting these picks and build like this (odin and serq would for example work excellent in such a tanky sustain comp as Odin fulfills the sustain aspect excellent with his shield and serq is slippery and can build magis).
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