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    If there's going to be a stealth counter then Loki needs to not depend on his stealth for everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enigmatisty View Post
    If there's going to be a stealth counter then Loki needs to not depend on his stealth for everything.
    There is never going to be a stealth counter because Titan will never grow a pair and admit that his kit is poorly designed and bad for the health of the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RainbowSplat View Post
    Loki meme about him being not viable is dead after all the item changes and meta changes he is more than viable now in fact he is in top 15 by winrates in Diamond+ games
    They say he is bad, because they are bad. They have no idea about his mechanics, his playstyle. They just go with turning 1,3 and ult and call it a day. But those that have a bit more understanding of the game knows how bloated his kit is. He is spell caster that does more damage than burst mages without needing anything to aim and he has one of the most bloated skill in game, invisible with dmg migitation, slow immunity, extra damage unmissable damage, movement speed and damaging him won't reveal him when all other stealth gods gets to revealed as it is a mechanic introduced to counter invisibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goobis View Post
    There is never going to be a stealth counter because Titan will never grow a pair and admit that his kit is poorly designed and bad for the health of the game.
    I don't say Titan, I say Ajax and Pon. These two never grow a pair. Ppl and some pro say Hera, Cherno, Pele are weak, they immediately buff them. PPl say Freya is fine, they don't nerf her. This is my problem with these two. I like Ajax personally and even Pon, had so many discussions on reddit but they are not doing what it takes to keep smite close to its core, keeping it fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexNemesis View Post
    They say he is bad, because they are bad. They have no idea about his mechanics, his playstyle. They just go with turning 1,3 and ult and call it a day. But those that have a bit more understanding of the game knows how bloated his kit is. He is spell caster that does more damage than burst mages without needing anything to aim and he has one of the most bloated skill in game, invisible with dmg migitation, slow immunity, extra damage unmissable damage, movement speed and damaging him won't reveal him when all other stealth gods gets to revealed as it is a mechanic introduced to counter invisibility.
    Honestly I can't tell if you got baited or not.

    But just so you know everything you said about Loki's kit is true, but he's still the worse god in the game. Why is that? Because his kit isn't well balanced. Nobody is denying fact here but that doesn't change the fact there are other gods that do it better.

    If the number you want is the total amount then regardless of Loki having 9 attack, 10 movement and 1 utility totaling into 20 he still isn't better than Da Ji at 7.5 attack, 9.5 movement and 10 utility totaling 27 total.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexNemesis View Post
    But those that have a bit more understanding of the game knows how bloated his kit is.
    He has 1 bloated skill and it still pales in comparison to some other assassins, who again, can do the single thing that Loki can do AND MORE.

    He is spell caster that does more damage than burst mages without needing anything to aim and he has one of the most bloated skill in game, invisible with dmg migitation, slow immunity, extra damage unmissable damage, movement speed and damaging him won't reveal him when all other stealth gods gets to revealed as it is a mechanic introduced to counter invisibility.
    Loki has the following:

    Behind You! Passive:
    Gives him 20% more damage on basic attacks on a targets back (But he has a 1/0.5/0.5/0.5/1.5 attack chain so you're getting 20% more damage on 50% less damaging attacks most of the time... Especially since you're trying to blow targets up before they get a chance to Aegis and immune part of your burst so you never actually hit the 5th attack in the chain)

    Vanish:
    Stealth, movement speed, damage reduction (Isn't removed on taking damage) oh and a proc that deals 360 + 100% damage over 2 seconds.

    Decoy:
    Taunts minions. Deals damage on expiration. Can block some projectile attacks (But can also be used to farm procs from such as Cupid hearts, Ody Bow procs, Heartseeker stacks, Zeus can Chain Lightning it etc)

    Aimed Strike:
    Deals bonus damage on your next basic attack. Slows by 25% for 3s. MASSIVE AUDIO CUE EVEN WHEN STEALTHED. Deals 220 + 100% damage.

    Assassinate:
    Teleport. If targeting enemy god, deal damage and stun for 1s. Damage is 450 + 120%

    So... Basically... He has a total of 360 + 100, 220 + 100 and 450 + 120% (If you use ult) for dealing with gods. That's 580 + 200% without ult and 1030 + 320% with ult.

    Lets compare that to some other assassins shall we?

    Bastet
    with Pounce > Razor Whip > Declaw = 340 + 100% > (420 + 100%) x 1.2 > 270 + 100% = 1114 + 320% so more damage than Loki's full kit WITHOUT USING HER ULT.

    She also has more mobility, deals AoE damage and of course has her ult to provide disruption if not outright kill a target with just the ult alone if they can't deal with the kitties.

    Camazotz with Screech > Vampire Bats > Devour = 270 + 70% > 380 + 130% > 320 + 75% = 970 + 275%. Not far off Loki's full kit damage (Also, Screech gives a free 40 power to boot). With 840 + 60% (Times 1.1 per god hit with the swoop) from his ult.

    Da Ji with Trickster Spirit > Horrible Burns > One Thousand Cuts = 230 + 85% > 310 + 94% > 460 + 120% = 1000 + 299%.

    Basically the same damage as Loki's full kit. But then she has her massively impactful ult that gives her a ton of utility, teamfight and ganking potential.

    Fenrir with Unchained > Brutalize = 335 + 80% > 660 + 200% = 995 + 280%.

    Again, similar to Loki's full kit. But this provides a stun (If using runes on Unchained) in an area, he also has an 80! free power buff from Seething Howl and of course, his ult is either 500 + 120% damage or that massive displace and CC that it's known for.

    Pele with Eruption > Pyroclast > Pyroclast = 260 + 80% > 220 + 60% > 220 + 60% = 700 + 200%

    Not as high damage as some of the other assassins, but still way higher than Loki without his ult. Also hits in an AoE, she also still has her ult to give her mobility and that burst of AoE damage as well as having her speed boost for utility and of course the massive AoE knockup from Eruption isn't half bad in a teamfight.

    Ratatoskr with Dart > Acorn Blast > Flurry = 210 + 70% > 300 + 90% > 340 + 100% = 850 + 260%

    Still more than Loki without ult. But then he has his prot shred from Flurry, his CDR on Dart from landing his skills and of course his ultimate for massive rotation potential and its 440 + 70% damage and knockup.

    Ravana with 10-Hand Shadow Fist > Prana Onslaught > Overhead Kick = 260 + 70% > 300 + 80% > 210 + 70% = 770 + 220%

    Another Assassin with more damage than Loki. Also has his root from 10-Hand Shadow Fist, his free beads/aegis from Overhead Kick and his ult for mobility + 30% damage reduction, 10% damage amp on target(s) he his and 500 + 100% damage.

    Serqet with Ambush > Deathbane > Cobra's Kiss = 320 + 50% > 420 + 135% > 300 + 100% = 1040 + 285%

    Another Assassin with basic abilities comparable with Loki's full kit. Not to mention her prot shred from Deathbane, the madness on up to 2 targets with Cobra's Kiss and her ult for its CC, displace, heal negation and 660 true damage AND her passive proc for 10/20% of a targets max health (For 160/320, 200/400, 300/600 damage before prots against Mages/Squishy Phys/Tanks on average)

    Thor with Mjonlir's Attunement > Berserker Barrage = 660 + 90% > 500 + 225% = 1160 + 315%

    Another Assassin, another basic ability combo for more damage than Loki's whole kit. Thor also gets free power from being near enemies due to his passive, he has a long ranged stun, he can teleport to his Mjolnir for extra mobility, he can poke from range with both his stun and his 1, he can hit multiple targets with all of his skill and of course he has his ult for more rotational power and its 350 + 120% damage and stun.

    Thanatos with Death Scythe > Soul Reap = 380 + 60% > 300 + 70% = 680 + 130%

    Okay, so Thana's damage isn't anything to write home about... But you wanna talk about stacked kits, then look no further, Thanatos' kit is one of the most bloated in the entire game. Even Baron can get a bit jealous with the amount of shit going on with Thanatos.

    His passive makes all of his skills super cheap because they cost a bit of (Current) health to cast so he never has mana issue. He gets health back from killing things. He gets 5s CDR on all his skills when he kills a god. He gains vision on any target that's in execute threshold.

    His Death Scythe deals its 380 + 60% damage. It also deals 10% max health damage to the target. It also heals Thanatos for 75% of the total damage it deals and also slows the target for 20% for 3 seconds.

    His Scent of Death gives him nearly the flat penetration cap (35 out of 50) it gives him 30% movement speed (Increased to 60% when moving towards a target in execute threshold) and makes him immune to slows

    His Soul Reap, the least bloated skill in his kit, does its 300 + 70% damage in an area and silences all targets hit for 1 second.

    Then his ult... Hovering Death, increases his movement speed by 150%, allows him to move over terrain, deals 230 + 80% damage and stuns for 1 second in an area or otherwise outright executes a target below 40% life.

    So yeah...

    Why the fuck should anyone consider Loki good? What does he bring? He deals less damage than some other assassins, has no utility, has no teamfight presence (Because he's only single target, unless people stand around inside his decoy for some reason) and has less mobility than some other assassins (Including ones that deal more damage than him)

    He can stealth? Okay. But what does that achieve that teleporting/blinking/leaping from behind cover wouldn't do, especially when he has to telegraph what he's doing with the audio cue on his 3. Or what makes him better than Ao Kuang/The Morrigan who can also stealth and burst for a fuckton of damage (While having more utility and better late game scaling)

    Because he has a single bloated skill? Why not just play Thanatos then he has 3 bloated skills and a bloated passive. He should be 4x as good as Loki then?

    Or is it just that, sometimes it's kind of funny to build Crit on Loki and ult onto a squishy and crit them for 1000+ and instantly kill them?
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    And yet again if it was this easy, and if that dude that acts he is so good at Smite knows all, why Loki has a high winrate in high ranked? Higher than lower ranked? U can give me a wall of text, but in fact if you are OK with loki, it means you are playing loki or have no idea what is going on. Also you compare thana with loki? Thana is bloated af, but his skill cap is high and easier to counter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexNemesis View Post
    And yet again if it was this easy, and if that dude that acts he is so good at Smite knows all, why Loki has a high winrate in high ranked? Higher than lower ranked? U can give me a wall of text, but in fact if you are OK with loki, it means you are playing loki or have no idea what is going on. Also you compare thana with loki? Thana is bloated af, but his skill cap is high and easier to counter.
    No one is denying fact but if you're just going to avoid discussion then there's nothing to talk about.

    Even if Loki had the highest winrate in the game he would still be the shittiest god in the game. There are too many variables to winrate but it doesn't change objective values. Just because his winrate is high(?) does not mean any other facts said about him are invalid.

    If you're just going to deflect at every chance you get because you can't debate something that is fact, then don't bait so hard.

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    Loki isnt bad for ranked, but ranked is different from Competitive
    In Competitive you cant play solo pele and instantly win because your enemy is so dumb he tries to actually box you in lane and gets solo'ed
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexNemesis View Post
    They say he is bad, because they are bad. They have no idea about his mechanics, his playstyle. They just go with turning 1,3 and ult and call it a day. But those that have a bit more understanding of the game knows how bloated his kit is. He is spell caster that does more damage than burst mages without needing anything to aim and he has one of the most bloated skill in game, invisible with dmg migitation, slow immunity, extra damage unmissable damage, movement speed and damaging him won't reveal him when all other stealth gods gets to revealed as it is a mechanic introduced to counter invisibility.
    Well his overall kit may seem OP but it's really not unless you are in MOTD where you have 80% cool downs then yes he's OP for that particular game. However on a team level, he is reliant on peeling and constantly preying on the weak which is very useful to have, but he cannot be present for battle. He is always on the look out to peel and run, rinse and repeat. If he is with a good team esp with a healer he will excel, but his kill and death ratio is dependent on his skill and his team.

    Every Loki player in any game will always take risks and most of the time they are not successful due to relics, running away, heals, etc. So they are reliant on that success ratio by targeting the weak.

    Quote Originally Posted by Relanah View Post

    Why the fuck should anyone consider Loki good? What does he bring? He deals less damage than some other assassins, has no utility, has no teamfight presence (Because he's only single target, unless people stand around inside his decoy for some reason) and has less mobility than some other assassins (Including ones that deal more damage than him)
    There you go she listed Loki's weaknesses lol. He is however a great peeler and of course that's mainly his role, and granted he is an annoying factor lol.
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