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    Quote Originally Posted by Goobis View Post
    Nobody does, its pointless.

    The only one that would need it is Xbal, but Xbal can just perma-toggle his 1 with Hunters Blessing. You could make the argument for Arachne but she has her babies to draw aggro and her heal for sustain. The best case scenario is assassin-solo, but you don't want an assassin in the solo lane with the current meta as it is, so the item really isn't doing anybody any favors.
    Pretty much. It's really only encouraging a very niche playstyle that isn't the best and requires a team to be built to supplement what they give and don't have that the meta solo picks have which can be very detrimental.

    only outstanding use I can see with it is merc memeing with it again
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    No-one really NEEDS it.

    Some gods can still use it though.
    Would you say its the best first item for anyone? Cause I can see crusher competing with it for clear even a God like Kali.

    But honestly, it's actually pre-first item that clear is important.
    Exactly, I mean who has trouble clearing when they have one item? Also its more expensive then boots and has less power soooo....

    Thus, the item isn't actually that good. Outside some silly interactions against idiots that stack up on each other so things like Merc's Made You Look or Baka's ult that deal AoE basic attack damage can multi-cleave against gods (Since every target hit by the skill/attack will cleave to all targets around them. Meaning if you hit 3 people all clumped up, they all take the initial hit and 2 cleaves and take essentially double damage)
    Yeah but still you get it after you have built considerable damage already. I could see myself getting it for merc but I would have 3 crit items before it. And Baka hitting 2-3 Gods with his ult can actually happen even against players who are not total derps. But he already has cleave sorta so you could just build a crit item instead and it would probably benefit more?

    Also, why they really could have just added like 30% cleave on jungle camps to Ass Blessing and that'd worked. Since that would boost basic attack focused gods a little bit while those that clear mostly by just using an ability would be largely unaffected.
    That would upset the whole meta. Faster clear for all junglers, those without AoE chain would be slightly favored of course as those with aoe hit chain clear out the smaller creeps while hitting the large one anyway. And Kali would still be the slowest.
    Rocking the boat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Relanah View Post
    No.

    At best, it's going to make Arachne/Baka/Kali actually pickable, If you can get past that 2.2k gold worth of absolutely trash clear and not get invaded tf.
    Lol Baka is the only one that his clear would get massive accelerated. Arachne would still fall off hard and GB basically delay her fatalis and Qin's and Boots. Bakasura has speed steroid so even with no boots if he goes GB first he still moves faster then most junglers, Aracnhe has to still walk.

    The biggest point of GB is that Merc he only has to MYL once to murder a camp and invest no time in it's demise as well as speed clearing lanes that any ally isn't occupying (due to their return to base). Also helps him still camps fast. Bakasura it's basically similar but he murders camps slower and the lane clear factor helps him when he's rotating. Bakasura needs some team comp to assist him in his low non-ult cc weakness to cover it up.
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    Dukesloth has been saying for a while now that the only problem with GB is it cleaves on Mercury's 1, and if you just take away that interaction away from Mercury on Mercury's end, not GB end, the problem is solved.
    Golden Blade is not an issue for Arachne, if you're taking Hastened Katana on her you're not playing her right, she basically gets Haste on her spiderlings web.

    Take away GB's interaction with Made You Look. problem solved, see ya later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KAKLAW View Post
    Lol Baka is the only one that his clear would get massive accelerated. Arachne would still fall off hard and GB basically delay her fatalis and Qin's and Boots. Bakasura has speed steroid so even with no boots if he goes GB first he still moves faster then most junglers, Aracnhe has to still walk.
    1) Boots are unnecessary these days. What with Hastened + Golden + Stone Cutter = 30% movement speed and is pretty decent start for these basic attack assassins. You get your power, attack speed, penetration with the utility of Hastened + Golden for clear and chase. With just Hastened + Golden being 20% speed which is more than the old boots first build (The one that ability based assassins still go)

    2) Arachne doesn't need Qin's. In fact, she has very little synergy with Qin's as opposed to crit, given that her passive boosts her basic attack damage which Qin's doesn't care about in the slightest while crit is amplified by it (That, and hopping onto someone and deleting them in like 3-4 hits and getting out is one of the best ways to utilize Arachne). As well as her 2 giving her a massive AS boost so she needs less overall attack speed from items so Hastened + Golden are enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by VlentisFlyheightis View Post
    Dukesloth has been saying for a while now that the only problem with GB is it cleaves on Mercury's 1, and if you just take away that interaction away from Mercury on Mercury's end, not GB end, the problem is solved.

    Take away GB's interaction with Made You Look. problem solved, see ya later.
    The issue with GB is that it brings nothing to the game that is needed. While at the same time, it is a massive black hole for design. It basically forbids a plethora of skill/god designs that would be broken by the availability of an item that makes your basic attacks cleave.

    Currently, it has massive synergy with 3 gods: Mercury (Made You Look procs it on every target hit meaning every target hit cleaves every other target in the vicinity), Bakasura (His ult gives him cone attacks. It procs off every target hit by his cone attacks) and Pele (Cleaving with her passive up is yet another way for her to be immortal even if she hasn't got CD's available)

    How many more gods could have interesting designs but cannot because Golden Blade exists to band-aid fix an issue with 3 gods who's kits leave them with lacklustre clear (Which could easily be tweaked and thus improved. I.e. Give Arachne a cleave in her basic attack chain. Put a minion damage modifier on Kali's Lash to do bonus burst damage to waves/camps. Make Bakasura's leap give a stronger damage amp vs minions)?

    How many potential item designs are crippled because "lel all basics cleave" exists? (Like, we can't get any buffs to Asi because that would be broken with AoE basics lifestealing)

    Golden Blade is not an issue for Arachne, if you're taking Hastened Katana on her you're not playing her right, she basically gets Haste on her spiderlings web.
    Hastened is very useful for Arachne. As it means that she can always keep up with her targets, can swap targets or can save her web to get the bonus speed to ESCAPE a fight after she's blinked in and got her kill(s).
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