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    Runeforged does extra damage as long as they are cc'd. Also Crit like that guy said before is the only legit build nowadays on most chars since only a scant handful of hunters can do other builds and make enough of an impact with them due to unique factors to help with itemization like Anhur's pen passive. Critless builds still have to deal with not having the same lifesteal spikes crit can do.
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    prefered Blessing > Warrior Tabi > Soul Eater > Executioner > Frostbound Hammer > Runeforge Hammer > Bloodforge.

    Take's a few more shots than a crit build, but the hp/sustain means you're getting those shots off and still in the fight after trading. does about 300 per basic on level 20 Odin bot, as well as boosting ability damage, oposed to crit build 220's with a chance at 550's with no extra ability damage. Plus 3+frost means they're not getting away on foot alone.
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    To compare to your guys Frostbound builds:

    My standard Warrior Tabi > Devo's Gloves > Exe > Rage > Poisoned Star > Deathbringer

    543 damage against squishies.
    85% crit chance
    24% lifesteal
    15% slow
    15% less damage done to targets

    So yeah... Kills squishies 100-0% in 3-4 shots. Tanks also drop pretty fast. Huge sustain because crits = great lifesteal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Relanah View Post
    To compare to your guys Frostbound builds:

    My standard Warrior Tabi > Devo's Gloves > Exe > Rage > Poisoned Star > Deathbringer

    543 damage against squishies.
    85% crit chance
    24% lifesteal
    15% slow
    15% less damage done to targets

    So yeah... Kills squishies 100-0% in 3-4 shots. Tanks also drop pretty fast. Huge sustain because crits = great lifesteal.
    great when you have an out and aren't alone, balls in a situation where you have to worry about 2 targets, especially if they can also 100%-0 you in a couple hits.

    Both builds work, one just leaves you in a better survival/punish posiition, and that's not crit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VlentisFlyheightis View Post
    Both builds work, one just leaves you in a better survival/punish posiition
    Yeah, it's the one where you remove 1 target in 3 shots at 2.47 attack speed, while healing 130+ health per basic and reducing targets you hit's damage by 15% and isn't as reduced in effectiveness if any of the targets can become slow immune (Such as when they Beads your boar/trap) given you're still getting 130% crit damage from the standard crit build (Which has been shown to be effective enough by well... Literally all Artemis play before this recent change)

    Heck, the burst damage from a crit build means if you're in a situation like that (Which you shouldn't, position better) means if you drop Tusky and they DON'T have beads, they're dead before the stun wears off. 3 shotting people will do that for you.

    550 health from the Hammers buys you... 1 ability/crit. At the cost of nearly halfing your damage output (Also, as a result, lifesteal)
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    in a raw numbers game crit wins out (except against Geb). but a game isn't raw numbers. Also even in a crit build Artemis should still be taking Runeforge hammer, since for the time being both the hammer and her passive are multiplicitive, not addative (resulting in a bonus above 30%). Drop the Rage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VlentisFlyheightis View Post
    in a raw numbers game crit wins out (except against Geb). but a game isn't raw numbers.
    No, but in practice crit still wins out. Since getting people dead faster = better since it means less time available for them do kill you. Also, more burst damage = more burst healing from lifesteal and unless they're going anti-heal or upgraded thorns that > raw health.

    That said, if you want the true "Best meta build" you'd ignore both full crit and Runeforged and go straight Qin's build with a single Poisoned Star because Qin's build with attack speed and pen is better for taking structures (Which can't be slowed nor crit) and the PS is there for boxing prowess and the self set up on the passive is just gravy.

    Since, at higher levels of play it's more important for your ADC to be able to take out the phoenix during a siege because you're less likely to get a Deicide due to people player better on defence.


    Also even in a crit build Artemis should still be taking Runeforge hammer, since for the time being both the hammer and her passive are multiplicitive, not addative (resulting in a bonus above 30%). Drop the Rage.
    That may be so, but it's not all clear cut as that. Since, as you mentioned, it's not about raw numbers.

    Yes, theoretically dropping Rage from the build in lieu of RFH will result in more damage - Crits going up to 569 against Odin bot from the extra 10 power over Rage and then up to 655 from the passive bonus.

    However, you lose that important 40% crit chance, which is invaluable for ensuring consistent damage output. Without that, you can get a lot more non-crits which are a significant damage loss and heck, it's possible to even lose the passive bonuses because of Poisoned Star's effect dropping off.
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