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    5.13 new Artemis & Hun Batz

    Artemis
    Pros - Less reliant on Crit items, she can still do Crit builds like other Hunters but does not feel forced into them.
    - Can also flex more into a Mage Hunter type build using Transcendence and items that go with that or do a traditional Devos duo lane build.
    - Hunters CAN use Hydras Lament, none had a need to until now, should be a new mandatory item on Artemis like it is on Hun Batz.

    Unsure - Tested how many hits from her own CC she gets buffed at Level 5.
    Off her Ultimate Calydonian Boar, only first hit, at maximum might get 2 buffed shots.
    Off her 3 Suppress the Insolent can get 2 buffed shots.
    Off her 1 Transgressor's Fate can get 2 buffed shots.
    When using her 2 Vengeful Assault before using one of the above abilities, it can add 1 more buffed shot, at level 20 her 2 adds 2 buffed shots when her 1 or 3 is used after the 2 but the Ultimate still only gets 1 extra buffed shot.

    Con - May need to use a Mage Hunter build more since those tend to have more CDR (Jotunn's, Hydras, 1 10% CDR item) that she needs to proc her Passive.


    Hun Batz
    Pros - With the new Passive, it is good to know you do not lose it until you actually hit something unlike his old one with the 3 second window.
    - He can still go Crit probably best through a single Rage leaving another slot open for a non-Crit item but is more Ability focused now to proc that Passive so wants to get the max 40% CDR, Jotunn's (20%), Hydras (10%) and whatever other 10% CDR item you want.

    Cons - He really has to get that 40% CDR 30% coming from 2 mandatory items.
    - His basic attack chain is a 3 hit combo of 1 / 0.75 / 1.25 damage, the Passive buff will always reset this chain and only give the extra damage to the first hit so you can never try to buff the third for more damage.
    - If wanting Crit, better to use Rage than other Crit items since a single Rage gives a similar chance (40%) as 2 other Crit items (45%).

    EDIT - For Hun, the change to his 2 seems to do little, he still has the same long hang time in the air like a NBA basketball player looking for a dunk shot.
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    Artemis...

    Just go crit build and pick up Poisoned Star = 100% uptime on a slow

    No need to faff around with jank builds when OP crit has you covered.

    Hun Batz wanting CDR is nothing new... Given his ridiculously strong ult.
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    Crit is the only thing left that hunters can do.
    Everything else is just a joke especially cool down.
    Just take a warrior instead and equip hide of the nemion lion at any time to shut down the hunter.

    Boots
    You no longer can get penn on them for hunters.
    You can no longer get cool down on them for hunters.
    Hasten fatalis is long gone so no speed or penn from that.

    jonuns wraith is a joke much like cool down on a hunter.

    btw....
    20 cooldown is not enough you still need another 20.
    So what other two slots are you going to sacrifice to cool down fast ?
    Oh you figured it out but now you have mana problems ? Ya don't say.

    Meanwhile ...

    Im putting wind, death, poison on and i still shoot faster then you cool down even if you have 40 cooldown.
    btw, I probably droped on silver ranch to boot while you put on jonuns, just to rub salt in the wound.

    ...

    Saying were making her less crit oriented just means she's being nerfed into being useless.
    Especially since she has no escape.

    Ill get the shovel you dig the grave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Some1Guy View Post
    Crit is the only thing left that hunters can do.
    Everything else is just a joke especially cool down.
    Just take a warrior instead and equip hide of the nemion lion at any time to shut down the hunter.

    Boots
    You no longer can get penn on them for hunters.
    You can no longer get cool down on them for hunters.
    Hasten fatalis is long gone so no speed or penn from that.

    jonuns wraith is a joke much like cool down on a hunter.

    btw....
    20 cooldown is not enough you still need another 20.
    So what other two slots are you going to sacrifice to cool down fast ?
    Oh you figured it out but now you have mana problems ? Ya don't say.

    Meanwhile ...

    Im putting wind, death, poison on and i still shoot faster then you cool down even if you have 40 cooldown.
    btw, I probably droped on silver ranch to boot while you put on jonuns, just to rub salt in the wound.

    ...

    Saying were making her less crit oriented just means she's being nerfed into being useless.
    Especially since she has no escape.

    Ill get the shovel you dig the grave.
    I have no idea which hunter you think needs CDR. But both pen/AS build and crit build are viable on almost any hunter, some do better with other than some but still.

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    Im not advocating cdr on any hunter ... just the opposite.

    Im refering to the op's notes...

    Artemis
    Pros - Less reliant on Crit items, she can still do Crit builds like other Hunters but does not feel forced into them.
    - Can also flex more into a Mage Hunter type build using Transcendence and items that go with that or do a traditional Devos duo lane build.
    - Hunters CAN use Hydras Lament, none had a need to until now, should be a new mandatory item on Artemis like it is on Hun Batz.
    and here

    May need to use a Mage Hunter build more since those tend to have more CDR (Jotunn's, Hydras, 1 10% CDR item) that she needs to proc her Passive.
    He is saying to proc her new passive now you will have to land a cc.

    Which overall means that this is a nerf.
    One could argue its a big nerf as you will need to drop a crit item at least one for a cooldown item, which basically makes Her dead to play... because...

    You can't afford to do that on any hunter you can't afford cooldown items on hunters.
    You can't rely on a cc to land before you can damage a enemy to defend yourself, no hunter can.
    Not even ones with a escape.

    You can rely on this offensively but not deffensively.
    Which for hunters is primarily most of the first half of the match.

    If you ignore this and just build crit then this is certainly a nerf compared to her old passive sure you get more % damage after you ult and if you actually crit, (since now your missing a crit item), that is a overall nerf, and once your ults over defensively you are far weaker, your dead meat.

    Worse what happens when the other guy charges in and beads on you.
    Now your passive is worthless and your missing a crit item.
    Did i mention you have no escape.

    Sounds like Rip arty to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Some1Guy View Post
    Im not advocating cdr on any hunter ... just the opposite.

    Im refering to the op's notes...



    and here



    He is saying to proc her new passive now you will have to land a cc.

    Which overall means that this is a nerf.
    One could argue its a big nerf as you will need to drop a crit item at least one for a cooldown item, which basically makes Her dead to play... because...

    You can't afford to do that on any hunter you can't afford cooldown items on hunters.
    You can't rely on a cc to land before you can damage a enemy to defend yourself, no hunter can.
    Not even ones with a escape.

    You can rely on this offensively but not deffensively.
    Which for hunters is primarily most of the first half of the match.

    If you ignore this and just build crit then this is certainly a nerf compared to her old passive sure you get more % damage after you ult and if you actually crit, (since now your missing a crit item), that is a overall nerf, and once your ults over defensively you are far weaker, your dead meat.

    Worse what happens when the other guy charges in and beads on you.
    Now your passive is worthless and your missing a crit item.
    Did i mention you have no escape.

    Sounds like Rip arty to me.
    I still don't see which part means she has to build CDR. Your support has the cc. Also, this also means you are not forced to build crit, you can now build into Qin's with clear conscience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Some1Guy View Post
    One could argue its a big nerf as you will need to drop a crit item at least one for a cooldown item, which basically makes Her dead to play... because...
    Or... You build Poisoned Star like you generally want to do anyway in a crit build and it applies a slow which is CC and thus would enable your passive?

    It's not as if Artemis even relied on her 15% crit chance passive, sure, it was nice, but it was really her 80% attack speed steroid that did most of the work, especially late game when you've built 60%+ crit chance and so are critting frequently irregardless of her passive. Now she gets 15% more damage when attacking CC'd targets (Which again, can easily be all the time with a PS) which is a direct improvement when you have a high crit chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Relanah View Post
    Or... You build Poisoned Star like you generally want to do anyway in a crit build and it applies a slow which is CC and thus would enable your passive?
    Don't forget the boxing potential from the damage reduction. 15% might not seem like much at first, but you'll definitely notice it when ur 1v1 with another hunter.

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    u guy should try Runeforged Hammer with Artemis, it provide another 15% increase in damage. i build Devourer's Gauntlet, Ninja Tabi, Frostbound Hammer, Executioner, Runeforged Hammer and last item either Qin's Sais or Deathbringer. this did 300+ damage to squishy and 200+ to tank. Deathbringer is build when enemy have no tank. Shifter's Shield can also be build to increase survivability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kralived View Post
    u guy should try Runeforged Hammer with Artemis, it provide another 15% increase in damage. i build Devourer's Gauntlet, Ninja Tabi, Frostbound Hammer, Executioner, Runeforged Hammer and last item either Qin's Sais or Deathbringer. this did 300+ damage to squishy and 200+ to tank. Deathbringer is build when enemy have no tank. Shifter's Shield can also be build to increase survivability.
    Tested Runeforged, like Hydra's it only buffs one shot and less damage than Hydra's. It sill give you health while Hydra's gives 10% CDR. Runeforged is much better for Cernunnos anyway, not always but possible.

    As for Hunter builds, I have 2 types I use depending on which Hunter, part of the builds is from seeing League play, rest is flexible based on what I need for a match.

    Devos build goes:
    Ninja Tabi
    Devos
    AS item
    whatever is needed
    AS Crit item
    Deathbringer

    Last 2 could be replaced with non-crit but usually crit is there. AS item is usually Ichaival unless I need anti-heal then Toxic Blade. This is typically for AA Hunters and usually seen in Conquest for Duo Lane, gives early sustain.

    Trans build goes:
    Ninja Tabi
    Trans
    AS item
    Soul Eater
    whatever is needed
    whatever is needed

    Last 2 can be crit or not. This is usually for Ability / Mage Hunter types and usually seen in Conquest Midlane, more power, less sustani but easier to stack Trans and SE than Devos, gives 20% CDR off both those items, 3 slot AS item is same choice as Devos between Ichaival and Toxic Balde.

    Sometimes certain choices are based on Hunter used. Neith for example can go Crit but as I understand it she cannot crit on her abilities including her Ult so if you want more damage on then you use non-crit, also going non-crit on her gives back more health from her 2. Cernunnos is the only god I currently use Runeforged on sometimes since the extra damage procs off his Shifter of Seasons in Winter making every Basic after the first buffed.

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