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    Someone explain to me

    Why exactly is Cabrakan allowed to deal the re(stupid) amount of damage he has in the early and mid-game as a Guardian no less? I feel he should be reclassified to being a warrior or a straight up mage if he only needs 2 hits and not even poly to emaciate your health the way he does.

    I'm trying not to be uncivil about it, but it gets *very* tiresome to deal with him and not being able to do anything because he still has guardian crowd control on top of it all.
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    Because he'd be pretty much useless without it. He's a magical warrior, he's a bruiser, it's not like he can lock down the entire team at once or mitigate a lot of damage for his team. On top of that, he's single-target and largely stationary.
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    Because Hirez doesn't know how to balance tanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirKeksalot View Post
    Because he'd be pretty much useless without it. He's a magical warrior, he's a bruiser, it's not like he can lock down the entire team at once or mitigate a lot of damage for his team. On top of that, he's single-target and largely stationary.
    A normal warrior doesn't do half as much damage as he does in full defense, even if they're building bruiser, and not even with a complete 3rd item.

    The only time I ever saw a physical warrior do 50-90% in 1-2 moves is when an Odin built full offense and bird jumped for over 1k with pen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxkid_8 View Post
    A normal warrior doesn't do half as much damage as he does in full defense, even if they're building bruiser, and not even with a complete 3rd item.

    The only time I ever saw a physical warrior do 50-90% in 1-2 moves is when an Odin built full offense and bird jumped for over 1k with pen.
    Cabrakan does not do high damage with full defense unless you allow him to. It's mathematically impossible. With all abilities at max rank, he has (assuming 3 seconds of Tremors, which is generous) 972 base damage without Tectonic Shift and 1522 with it. That's BEFORE mitigations. The standard magical prot count is 48 at level 20, which brings Cabra's damage down to 656/1028, respectively. Again, I'm being generous with how much he gets from Tremors and I'm assuming the target is going glass cannon. The lowest HP in the game, unless it's changed since last I looked, is 1680 on Anubis. Even if Cabrakan unleashes his full combo, a majority of squishies will still be able to get away, heal up, or peel him off of them unless Cabra has help; in which case, he could do half of his current damage and a majority of teammates would still be able to net the kill for him.

    If the legend of Fat Loki is to be a reality, a bruiser build is needed. Otherwise, you've just got a sponge that doesn't really do much except lock down one guy. Yeah, that one guy is boned in a teamfight; but other guardians can do that to multiple targets at once and, while they won't hit as hard or be quite as tanky, they can control a fight better overall.
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    Because Guardians like him, Ares and arguably Xing Tian are designed to be magical warriors, not as true tanks like say an Athena, Geb or Khepri are (Though you generally want to build one hybrid item on Athena anyway, but that's besides the point)

    He chunks you early, yes, but if he doesn't build defensively, and builds solely for that big damage, he falls apart like knockoff Ikea furniture.
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    Vs some teams having only melee peel ain't exactly spectacular as what should be the teams support. So yeah he ain't the best "guardian" he does a different job mostly. Just as Ravana could be said to be an assassin (he lacks warrior CC but has warrior self peel).

    Cabra can destroy sure but needs the right team and there cannot be to many counter picks on enemy team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goobis View Post
    Because Hirez doesn't know how to balance tanks.
    I feel that Tanks are the most balanced item in the game right now... Bruisers were pretty whacked for a while... But tanks (even the OP's post) Are Very balanced. Pen to kill them, Anti-X to counter them. It's probably the most straight-forward design I've seen yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EpicWinnar View Post
    Because Guardians like him, Ares and arguably Xing Tian are designed to be magical warriors, not as true tanks like say an Athena, Geb or Khepri are (Though you generally want to build one hybrid item on Athena anyway, but that's besides the point)

    He chunks you early, yes, but if he doesn't build defensively, and builds solely for that big damage, he falls apart like knockoff Ikea furniture.
    So this. This is completely untrue. If I go full Soul Reaver/Cooldown Boots/Rod of Tahtitis/ Gem of Iso/ Breastplate... I can personally destroy and quadra a team. In Conquest or Assault (assault being my main)... Cab is a bit broken for Focused player damage... But he can be countered with pretty much any magical protection item plus semi-focusing. Hell.. Even a full tank cab can...

    In my honest opinion, I feel that he's a bit under-powered.... He has Great single target stun-damage but he gets ripped on mitigation in every way. But it is what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    So this. This is completely untrue. If I go full Soul Reaver/Cooldown Boots/Rod of Tahtitis/ Gem of Iso/ Breastplate... I can personally destroy and quadra a team. In Conquest or Assault (assault being my main)... Cab is a bit broken for Focused player damage... But he can be countered with pretty much any magical protection item plus semi-focusing. Hell.. Even a full tank cab can...

    In my honest opinion, I feel that he's a bit under-powered.... He has Great single target stun-damage but he gets ripped on mitigation in every way. But it is what it is.
    Good for you if you can do that but if you go full mage build on Cabra or any guardian, they will get blown up late. Cabra works the best when building dmg early and then switching to defensive items for late.
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