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    Thanatos is fine as is.

    The change you suggest, while a neat little addition in theory, actually gives him two tries at executes (since his 1 does SO MUCH damage it would likely kill most squishies he went in on and if he misses he could then do the normal execute) and would give him the ability to put people into threshold for an execute before they are actually in execute range.

    It would result in him being WAY too safe since he would be able to basically do a drive by that can't be retaliated against. Let's look at the gods with executes:

    Achilles takes a ton more damage during it, his execute is super telegraphed and can be juked, it can be body blocked, it is not an escape even if it succeeds. Out of the three, his execute is the most "ok".
    Ao Kuang can be beads (which is surprisingly easy to do - Magi's Cloak makes him sad) in which case he is super punishable, he can mess it up on low health targets by killing them (thus denying his escape), and it can be body blocked. Can not be used as an initiation (except as follow up after he already executes someone). I still think AoK is OP, but that is just me.
    Thanatos has a long range initation\disengage tool. Sure he gets punished on landing if he is dumb and dives too deep (like a shitty Loki player - gets a kill, but dies for it) but just don't be stupid. His execute timing is slightly more difficult to Aegis because he can hover for a while, or can drop down immediately. He can not be body blocked. It scales to the highest percentage of health remaining.

    Out of the three, he has the best execute. Any buff to it would be pretty powerful, and it would need some takeaway from something else.

    So, rather than just say "this is shitty, no" how do you propose to counter balance it?


    Also, in regards to speed going over 800 - yes, that is true. You CAN go over...numerically. But it still caps. It is like how you can have 90 pen displaying, but it stops at 50...or 1100 power displayed but it still stops at 900. The numbers are relevant for things that reduce whatever stat it is. That way, even if you have power reduced you still have enough to reach cap. Or if you are slowed, you are still faster than you would otherwise be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandomToon View Post
    Achilles takes a ton more damage during it, his execute is super telegraphed and can be juked, it can be body blocked, it is not an escape even if it succeeds. Out of the three, his execute is the most "ok".

    If it succeeds he can use it again, up to five times.

    Also power is the only thing that actually go over the cap. Pen and everything else does stop at cap, power does not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaveana View Post
    If it succeeds he can use it again, up to five times.

    Also power is the only thing that actually go over the cap. Pen and everything else does stop at cap, power does not.
    Defense can go over the cap.

    Due to how overcapping works(% and conversion buffs) Izanami might be able to get more pen with her passive as well. I'll have to test it sometime. She is the only one whom i can think of that gets pen through a conversion though(same type that Bancroft's uses and it breaks power cap so it might work with pen on her).

    Though most people would probably say she's a hunter so it isn't even good to build pen on her.... And honestly I'd usually agree seeing as she doesn't even focus on ability damage. Still it could help increase her already high tower and other objective shredding potential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by damienmc90 View Post
    Defense can go over the cap.

    Due to how overcapping works(% and conversion buffs) Izanami might be able to get more pen with her passive as well. I'll have to test it sometime. She is the only one whom i can think of that gets pen through a conversion though(same type that Bancroft's uses and it breaks power cap so it might work with pen on her).

    Though most people would probably say she's a hunter so it isn't even good to build pen on her.... And honestly I'd usually agree seeing as she doesn't even focus on ability damage. Still it could help increase her already high tower and other objective shredding potential.
    I never tested Izanami. I know I tested Thoth and he does not break the pen cap, so doing that made me change my build for him since I always thought it did break cap.

    Perhaps Xbox reports numbers differently? That or they changed it after the added the display on the bottom left of the screen since I tested it a while ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandomToon View Post
    I never tested Izanami. I know I tested Thoth and he does not break the pen cap, so doing that made me change my build for him since I always thought it did break cap.

    Perhaps Xbox reports numbers differently? That or they changed it after the added the display on the bottom left of the screen since I tested it a while ago.
    Thoth has flat pen, those never break caps. Izanamis has percentage penetration but I'm not sure if that even has a cap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outso187 View Post
    Thoth has flat pen, those never break caps. Izanamis has percentage penetration but I'm not sure if that even has a cap.
    Yeah, it would be worth testing out. I don't know that it has a cap either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandomToon View Post
    Yeah, it would be worth testing out. I don't know that it has a cap either.
    I mean, it does cap at 100% but that's impossible to reach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandomToon View Post
    So, rather than just say "this is shitty, no" how do you propose to counter balance it?
    Back to the topic.
    To counterbalance this change I have a couple of solutions
    1. Make the 1 from ult do 75-50% damage of the original scythe. But slow for 40%. This will allow for easier executes since the target is slowed.
    2. Nerf the 2 in flat pen
    3. Maybe instead of 1 during his ult. He has a separate effect( kinda like rijin) called" the look of death" , if the target is in threshold and Thanatos hits this ability. The target is feared. If not in threshold it's slowed.( works kinda like medusa ult but faster, the radios of the circle can be slightly bigger then what I presented previously)
    I don't suggest that this change must be implemented. This is just a cool idea I came up with while in the shower and wanted to see what others think of it.
    Kinda wanna see what other build on Thanatos, my fav build is:
    Warriors tabi, haerthseaker, transsendance, bloodforge, mantle of discord and titans bane. In this order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doomsday99515 View Post
    Back to the topic.
    To counterbalance this change I have a couple of solutions
    1. Make the 1 from ult do 75-50% damage of the original scythe. But slow for 40%. This will allow for easier executes since the target is slowed.
    2. Nerf the 2 in flat pen
    3. Maybe instead of 1 during his ult. He has a separate effect( kinda like rijin) called" the look of death" , if the target is in threshold and Thanatos hits this ability. The target is feared. If not in threshold it's slowed.( works kinda like medusa ult but faster, the radios of the circle can be slightly bigger then what I presented previously)
    I don't suggest that this change must be implemented. This is just a cool idea I came up with while in the shower and wanted to see what others think of it.
    Kinda wanna see what other build on Thanatos, my fav build is:
    Warriors tabi, haerthseaker, transsendance, bloodforge, mantle of discord and titans bane. In this order.
    OK, now that makes a bit more sense. But as you can see, when you give somewhere you take elsewhere, and end up actually changing quite a bit of the kit.

    I have shower ideas too. It is a cool idea, just needs to be balanced IMO.

    I tend to not play Thanatos in a set way. Typically I go:

    Warrior, Heartseeker, Hydra's Lament, either Jotun's Wrath or Brawlers Beatstick (depending on if I want more pen or more cool down), Mantle of Discord, situational item. Sometimes that situational item is Titan's Bane but it could just as easily be Bloodforged, Magi's Cloak, Ancile, Shifter's Shield, Masamune, or Stone Cutting Sword.

    It all depends on the comp and what is causing me the most problems.
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