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    Quote Originally Posted by damienmc90 View Post
    Oh, seems melee penalty is actually 35% so it is slightly higher than the frost bound slow. In order to cover that you'll likely also need 1 of the 10% movement speed items(or be using a god with a bit of movement built in, bakasura, mercury, amaterasu etc etc.)

    Of course that is still assuming your opponent ISN'T walking sideways/backwards or using their own basics.
    Thanks for clearing this up! I always had 20% in mind, but I sorta forgot that the slow is higher on melee characters. I should probably give this item another chance.
    Yes, I was talking about assassins and warriors, but then again, why would they get FH if HK exists, which does the job a lot more reliably?
    A possible change I could see would be a tradeoff: FH gets increased stats and has a worse passive than HK, but HK could have it's stats reduced to be more focused on the passive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoIdschuss View Post
    Thanks for clearing this up! I always had 20% in mind, but I sorta forgot that the slow is higher on melee characters. I should probably give this item another chance.
    Yes, I was talking about assassins and warriors, but then again, why would they get FH if HK exists, which does the job a lot more reliably?
    A possible change I could see would be a tradeoff: FH gets increased stats and has a worse passive than HK, but HK could have it's stats reduced to be more focused on the passive.
    I truly love trade off like this on this type of item.

    But I think that now they're no needed, because FH and HK are pretty counterable via other items (midguardian and winged) so now FH and HK doesn't need a tweak or a nerf on their stats.

    For me, FH gives a little surviveability for it's HP so I think I prefer that to HK , due to the new Midguardian too.
    At least, FH is countered every 30 seconds, not every time like Midg do to Hk's builders.
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    Why do we need the Hastend ring? Freya is the only one who can use its cause she can utiliz attackspeed and the low power doesnt hurt her at all

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    Y E S we need , why u think it's unnecessary , yes erlang doesn't really need it or arachne but , gods like kali are more effective with this item ... so why it's a problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorfindal View Post
    Why do we need the Hastend ring? Freya is the only one who can use its cause she can utiliz attackspeed and the low power doesnt hurt her at all
    That has an internal CD, so, it's clearly not the same scenario..
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    Quote Originally Posted by MArBuSe View Post
    Y E S we need , why u think it's unnecessary , yes erlang doesn't really need it or arachne but , gods like kali are more effective with this item ... so why it's a problem
    I WILL NOT respond with any reason to this, when you can simply read all of my previous messages in this thread and understand my point, if you're interested.


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    I remember hasten fatalis was soo hated and if you used it you were called a noob. However, now that it is a katana and on warriors and asasins a lot those folks have zero issues with hastened katana. I’m neutral on it personally, but it’s funny to see how people are defending it so vehemently after the way fatalis users were treated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeMasterz92 View Post
    That has an internal CD, so, it's clearly not the same scenario..
    ow cmn , u still did't get what i meant , effect is not op , it was op on adcs but melees need this at least some of them , like u said kali has stun but , kali isn't burst assassin ( kinda) she is dps god so she needs to stick to target , maybe item has to have some cd on effect , but hast is not op .

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    Quote Originally Posted by MArBuSe View Post
    ow cmn , u still did't get what i meant , effect is not op , it was op on adcs but melees need this at least some of them , like u said kali has stun but , kali isn't burst assassin ( kinda) she is dps god so she needs to stick to target , maybe item has to have some cd on effect , but hast is not op .
    use FB hammer to stick to people.

    But now it's not a problem anymore, with the midguardian mail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeMasterz92 View Post
    use FB hammer to stick to people.

    But now it's not a problem anymore, with the midguardian mail.
    fb hammer on kali? ok sometimes its effective but , fb hammer is not for assassins like kali , usaally i build it on arachne or bakasura ...

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