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    When is Bacc getting hardcore nerfed and not able to 1 shot?

    title sums it all up.

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    The same time Loki gets nerfed.
    I'm pretty much trying to reclaim my lost ELO and sticking to a few gods rn. Mostly playing Cern and maybe Daji.

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    He deals this kind of damage (credit goes to LuxInterior!)

    Bellyflop: 250 + 70%
    Belch: 320 + 60%
    Ultimate: 550 + 70%
    (Passive from ultimate can add 60 mp, 75 mp with Tahuti)

    Total: 1120 + 200%

    That's not a oneshot, cupidhead... That's three skills, one of them being interruptable. And he needs at least 450 power to kill most squishies, making his combo deal 2020. And he needs to deal 2020 AFTER mitigiation, meaning he needs to heavily invest in penetration and power, meaning he can only afford 1-2 defense items. Also, he will only deal more damage with polynomicon. If he has 1-2 defense item, your hunter / assassin / mage can blow him up just as well as he can blow you up. Also, any kind of hard-cc other than a knockup will shave off almost all damage of that 320 + 60% (270 with 450 power) ~ 600ish damage. There, he can't oneshot you anymore.

    Also, if you want to bitch about damage, bitch about hunters, really.
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    When is Bacc getting hardcore nerfed and not able to 1 shot?
    When some ppl will understand that Bacchus damage is actually lower than many of other guardians.
    550 + 70% from ult? dude... thats pretty low damage for a ult standard.
    This feeling when your team is far behind and you have no prospects for late game but for some reason players still doesnt want to surrender - MOBA Cancer.

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    Your guardian should be helping you shut him down be it with a stun, cripple, shield ect. If not, consult your local guardian pool for a new one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZetoPL View Post
    When some ppl will understand that Bacchus damage is actually lower than many of other guardians.
    550 + 70% from ult? dude... thats pretty low damage for a ult standard.
    cough athena, sobek, ymir cough

    granted ymir n sobek need to charge but if u wanna talk about a gaurdian that can 1 shot sumone with just a few power items its them. defender of Olympus 750 + 90%
    lurking in the waters 950 + 80% then there's shards of ice doing 1100 + 150% like if ur gonna bitch about guardian dmg...

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    He's in a good spot right now. I don't see any reason for any nerfs or buffs to him.

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    Some say that if you shout "NERF GUARDIAN DAMAGE" 3 times in front of the bathroom's mirror, I appear.

    Let's take a tour to the wild and wonderful world of guardian damage:

    Bacchus
    Bellyflop: 250 + 70%
    Belch: 320 + 60%
    Ultimate: 550 + 70%
    (Passive from ultimate can add 60 mp, 75 mp with Tahuti)

    Total: 1120 + 200%

    Fafnir
    Cursed Strength: 250 + 50%
    Underhanded Tactics: 240 + 60%
    Ultimate: 480 + 120%
    Dragon Cursed Strenght: 390 + 75%
    Dragon Underhanded Tactics; 360 + 90%
    Base 1720 + 395% add 25% self-buff from Coerce
    (Also: 37% scaling per second on dragon's breath, but I'm not counting basics)

    Total: 2150 + 494%

    Fafnir has more base damage and scaling than Ah Puch. I think he also has more than Zeus, but it's hard to say, because that depends on basic attacks.

    Still people build him like a potato, not bothering to look for the numbers themselves, just following the herd which keeps bleating "Baaah Bacchus is so damaging baaaah".

    I suppose that's because you don't need to take many risks or have much skill to run a damage/bruiser Bacchus. Because of his free impenetrable defense and his miss-everything-still-kill ultimate.

    Now you ask, why did they do something like that? Why gods with innate tankiness are still designed to be able to kill?

    Because guardians have two sides: one is supporting, the other is the fear factor. Being tanky, they want you to attack them, not their friends. Those who hit like a mashed potato have zero fear factor, like Khepri or Sylvanus. It's okay, because their supporting is stronger than the ones who can 100-0 your squishies.

    You have an enemy Khepri at the midst of your team, you just ignore him. You have dragon Fafnir... just try to see what happens.
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    Bacchus is annoying asf but his damage isn't that high.

    Bacchus ult does less than Athena 3 btw. (550 + 70%? Pssssh 560 + 100% thx)

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