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Thread: Loki and Da Ji - Too broken

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    I think the problem is that he requires counterbuilding. But that he also can simply change focus if people do it.
    And in Arena noone cares about him. If you are playing the tank/frontline and you keep back people cry that you dont engage, if you engage people cry about loki. If you tell people to build against him, they dont. So the problem is not that he's broken or OP, people just dont care to do what's needed to do. And if a single person does, you waste ressources, because he can always change focus to someone who doesnt.

    In the end, all I can say is this:
    There are multiple relics that work well or at least semi-well against him. Aegis, Thorns, Undoing, depending on which other enemies you fight, you might only be able to get one to specifically use against him though.
    Each class has items against him, but none individually is good enough. He can, for example, still deal a majority of your health in ult+single backstab if you ONLY buy nemean against him.
    So, here are some rules:
    Get health.
    Get Armor.
    Get items that increase defensiveness when you get low. (shifters on warriors, asi, BotD, any of the cloak items (not urchin though, pure defense isnt enough)
    Use your kit to your advantage. if you know he's coming (which you should be able to in arena, if you are not blind or ignorant) try to prepare by setting up aoes around you, or just get ready mentally.

    This still leaves the problem, that you need to give up a major part of your offensiveness against him.

    I'd like him to get reworked to be less demanding in specified defense, but I guess HiRez doesnt wanna. He makes them too much money by loki mains buying infiltrator.

    And another source for frustration is, that even if you teamwork it is at best a 1-for-1 trade.
    Because no matter how hard you team up when you know he's gonna come, if he gets in and your mate didnt build, he's dead before loki is.
    Last edited by RhodosGuard; 02-14-2018 at 06:40 AM.

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    You don't always need be a tank and watch him, just one person who counterbuilds and counter moves would keep him on guard.

    One of the big problems in Arena is a number of players want tunnel vision, they only want to focus what is in front of them. Enemy minions, enemy portal and that is where they want enemy gods. When a god flanks especially using the camp walls for cover and stealth, it throws people off. Lokis and Jis do it more than any other.

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    Stop with the counter build crap, no one plays this game to have to use items they don't even want just because a few Gods are built OP on just one move. Loki has been broken since release. Just that the Devs have a hard on for him. Probably a tissue issue for some players too....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevyr420 View Post
    Stop with the counter build crap, no one plays this game to have to use items they don't even want just because a few Gods are built OP on just one move. Loki has been broken since release. Just that the Devs have a hard on for him. Probably a tissue issue for some players too....
    They don't, tho. He has one of the lowest pick rates, and brings nothing to the table in terms of teamfight or cc.
    Daji has no escape if she goes in. They're both fair and balanced.
    If you play the game more, you'll understand what we're talking about.

    They aren't going to center balancing around a gamemode like arena; one that doesn't have a comp league like conquest, 1v1, or joust, and doesn't show all attributes a god must have (wave clear/pushing ability, etc).

    And you'd be surprised how much counterplay is put into matches.

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    Junior Member Senior Cupidhead galvay's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anubite07 View Post
    wtf? You need always to build your items against every enemy in game. Don't you buy Purification Beads against Ares or what? Does Ares need nerf?
    Just build Life items with your mage. Or maybe you play He Bo and starts with book of thoth?
    If Loki/Da Ji can't kill you with the basic combo, they die hard
    lol? 90% of players always buy puri, because there's always someone with cc that you need to protect against. so no- nobody really buy anything just for ares.
    and i never (and really most casual player neither) build anything against any god. and only loki can eliminate me instantly without ability to protect- no other god can f* you up this much. so if you have problem with this only one god, and many people do, then surely something is wrong with that god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by galvay View Post
    lol? 90% of players always buy puri, because there's always someone with cc that you need to protect against. so no- nobody really buy anything just for ares.
    and i never (and really most casual player neither) build anything against any god. and only loki can eliminate me instantly without ability to protect- no other god can f* you up this much. so if you have problem with this only one god, and many people do, then surely something is wrong with that god.
    You play with lower match making rating people, and they stay there because they don't learn things like counter building. Playing a support, you build almost exclusively counter to the enemy team. If your team comp keeps you from ever falling in the danger zone, you may not have to counter build, but outside of that, you will NEED to learn counterbuilding. It's just part of the game. Hunters build sustain to help counter boxing, and has become so natural is considered a 'natural' part of the build. If YOU personally cannot survive on your own, that is your problem. There are plenty of tools at your disposal to help you, it's just you refuse to use them.

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    Counter building is counter productive. If a character in a game is SO OP that the entire other team has to counter build just for them... They need reworking. And everyone knows that once Loki is in the area, everyone has to "be aware". You don't get that with anyone that isn't built specifically to be OP, and most other assassin's aren't.

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    Junior Member Senior Cupidhead galvay's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by SquireAngel View Post
    You play with lower match making rating people, and they stay there because they don't learn things like counter building. Playing a support, you build almost exclusively counter to the enemy team. If your team comp keeps you from ever falling in the danger zone, you may not have to counter build, but outside of that, you will NEED to learn counterbuilding. It's just part of the game. Hunters build sustain to help counter boxing, and has become so natural is considered a 'natural' part of the build. If YOU personally cannot survive on your own, that is your problem. There are plenty of tools at your disposal to help you, it's just you refuse to use them.
    dude- that's exactly the point- you could counter build, but you don't need to do that against anyone but loki. doesn't that really tell you something?

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    It tells me you have no idea what you're talking about and refuse to adapt. Have fun staying at your MMR and getting blown up. Wait till you run into people playing things like Da Ji, Kali, and thanatoaster.

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    This article is about Da Ji as well Troll, good that get an unfair advantage because of some Dev Hacks need for a wet dream kill.... Read the articles before just tearing people down toxic freak.

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