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    The people who don't support NN

    After reading the new post on reddit that was linked in the general forums section it seems to me that a lot of people believe not having NN would be a good thing. It's kind of like the people who like socialism/communism. It sounds good on paper but the reality of it is...

    How do you feel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaveana View Post
    After reading the new post on reddit that was linked in the general forums section it seems to me that a lot of people believe not having NN would be a good thing. It's kind of like the people who like socialism/communism. It sounds good on paper but the reality of it is...

    How do you feel?
    Firstly, socialism and communism get paired far too readily for my tastes. One is an extreme form of the other, and given that pretty much everywhere in the world is using various socialist programmes ( bill of rights, the constitution are all derived from a socialist model of egalitarianism, otherwise most would still be stuck in a feudalistic landed gentry or a dictatorship or an autocratic state), and really there isn't anything inherently wrong about the idea of those who are elected to office being expected to take care of its people.

    The problems of socialism though are the increasing notion that everyone is unilaterally equal, which is frankly horseshit. Sure, everyone should have equal rights, everyone should have equal opportunity, but if you screw up at school and don't get the necessary grades to progress to higher education, thats on you. Though honestly when I look at American Uni campus policies atm, I really have no idea why you would want to pay a lot of money to seemingly narrow your vision, and in a lot of cases become the antithesis of what they were trying to achieve.

    On a similar note, while I routinely hear many Americans bemoan socialism, its important to remember that the self proclaimed greatest country in the world currently leads every other nation on issues that are not praiseworthy, defense spending, incarceration rates of its own citizens, and gun deaths ( caveat there being "amongst developed nations")

    The myopic insistence that one is better than the other is a grave fallacy in political thinking, as politics is meant to be about the betterment of people and society by using the best methods to achieve the most positive results. This has been lost due to the plutocratic nature that most countries have adopted when it comes to both the economy and living standards. Wage freezes, debt being "good", inflation ever increasing, as well as a lack of real and genuine political options. When you have a choice of two, polarization is far too easy as an out when it comes to debate.

    As for Net Neutrality, if I was American, I would be adamantly against the idea of giving Commcast, Verizon or AT&T more power to arbitrarily decide which services you use. Given the reach of some of these companies, it seems to me that the free space the internet was meant to be being funnelled down previously ordained paths is incredibly naive and dangerous. Free market capitalism is the correct system for this, no doubt, but for that to succeed you need both competition and transparency in contract allocation.

    With out this, really you have oligopoly, perfect competition amongst the few, where price fixing and collusion are the practices adopted, not what benefits the consumer, which is competition. Moreover, the lobbying power, as well as the grip on supposedly "free" media some of these groups possess should rightly raise the hairs of most people. Information being provided when there may well be an underlying agenda or narrative should be something no supposedly free people should accept as a given.

    The idea that if regulation is removed, that these ISP's will just "do the right thing" is fucking absurd. I can't remember the name of that fucking dingleberry who is at the top of the FCC, but its fairly obvious he has both the aforementioned groups lobbyists, as well as the GOP's, arms fully up his ass with their hands fully around his vocal cords.

    This doesn't surprise me.

    That quite a few Americans are too stupid to realize the implications?

    This doesn't surprise me.

    What does surprise me is how quiet international bodies and nations have been.

    Guess we're all fucked.
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    It's honestly reminiscent of how people were with the election. Nobody seemed to realize what the implications of choosing one over the other were. Though I'm partially happy we didn't get Hillary and risk launching WWIII against Russia, that was countered with how...insensitive and unknowing Trump is of the bourgeoisie, or even of the basic rights that we were given since becoming citizens.

    Condemning NN is the equivalent of condemning the First Amendment to me. And honestly in a country where we love our freedom, it ironically isn't surprising to see that there are those who don't care to see some of it taken away or limited.

    The internet business is pretty much monopolized at this rate. Ending NN is another cheap way for the few limited ISPs here to consolidate their power and further deter any competition or unsavory moves against them, and milk as much money as they can from the public. It's sickening and the fact that this is even being considered shows how far and fast we've strayed off the path of the liberties we're so fortunate to at least have.

    While there are good arguments like fast lanes being available to select sources such as surgeons or politicians, the problem is that it won't be as easily accepted in a country where minorities are already discriminated against or maladjusted to an extent. The majority will simply vilify and continuously rebel against why they are the chosen few even with the reasons thrown in their faces.
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    This is retarded. Net neutrality is more like socialism/communism than not having it. Its big government regulating an industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fusionsamurai View Post
    This is retarded. Net neutrality is more like socialism/communism than not having it. Its big government regulating an industry.
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