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    Quote Originally Posted by LiamX View Post
    Actually no. Her nerfs are not enough. The devs were applying only very little nerfs to her. I say either nerf her damage significantly or her defense significantly. Her dash should be nerfed as well. Cripple is fine.
    Her dash is probably the slowest dash in the game.

    Her defense? She's a fucking tank.

    Her damage? Is around the levels of all other guardians bar Khepri/Sylvanus-type guardians, and she doesn't have a giant damaging ult to boot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyralis View Post
    Her dash is probably the slowest dash in the game.

    Her defense? She's a fucking tank.

    Her damage? Is around the levels of all other guardians bar Khepri/Sylvanus-type guardians, and she doesn't have a giant damaging ult to boot.
    She doesn't have an ulti because she can keep spamming 6 skills without end. Last time I checked, that's better than having one big ulti every 90 seconds or so.
    Also, Vamana. I think they're about the same speed but Vamana has a mage cost for skills while Artio gets a free pass.

    That's the thing. She's on par on damage with other guardians, a fucking tank as you say and has a million CCs all while having a good, long dash. The problem is not her individual capabilities, it's the sum of her parts. She has everything and no known weakness. That is why she needs a nerf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiamX View Post
    She doesn't have an ulti because she can keep spamming 6 skills without end. Last time I checked, that's better than having one big ulti every 90 seconds or so.
    Also, Vamana. I think they're about the same speed but Vamana has a mage cost for skills while Artio gets a free pass.

    That's the thing. She's on par on damage with other guardians, a fucking tank as you say and has a million CCs all while having a good, long dash. The problem is not her individual capabilities, it's the sum of her parts. She has everything and no known weakness. That is why she needs a nerf.
    Vamana dash is faster and has knockup. It also travels further. To boot, he has 380 base movespeed which is more than Artio.

    She has similar damage to other guardians, similar defense, similar levels of CC (she needs a bit more than others cuz she has no gamechanging ulti), and her weakness is that literally all of her abilities apart from both her 2's can be interrupted.

    Her druid 3 can be interrupted before it even does damage.

    Her bear 3 can be interrupted before she moves 10 units.

    Her bear 1 can be interrupted before she does damage.

    Her druid 1 is the only one that still is off CD if it's interrupted.

    Her bear/druid 2 can't be interrupted but they're both melee range.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LiamX View Post
    She has everything and no known weakness.
    Thats simply not true.
    she doesn't have a ranged basic.

    druid form should have a ranged basic and the bear form retains melee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pizlenut View Post
    Thats simply not true.
    she doesn't have a ranged basic.

    druid form should have a ranged basic and the bear form retains melee.
    100% this.

    She can get her HP nerfed a little and her cripple down by 1s and her overall scaling down by 5% to have this.

    Then I'd actually play her cuz she IS cool but druid basic is weird asf being melee. It doesn't mesh imo and it's just weird.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyralis View Post
    100% this.

    She can get her HP nerfed a little and her cripple down by 1s and her overall scaling down by 5% to have this.

    Then I'd actually play her cuz she IS cool but druid basic is weird asf being melee. It doesn't mesh imo and it's just weird.
    It wouldn't make sense, especially because her cripple and her 1 require her to be in a melee range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyralis View Post
    Vamana dash is faster and has knockup. It also travels further. To boot, he has 380 base movespeed which is more than Artio.
    I don't know about travel faster and further. There is no mention of that in either of their skills but since you presented Vamana's knockup all while ignoring Artio's slow and movement speed increase, I doubt we can trust what you say. You are of course welcome to provide proof.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lyralis View Post
    She has similar damage to other guardians, similar defense, similar levels of CC (she needs a bit more than others cuz she has no gamechanging ulti), and her weakness is that literally all of her abilities apart from both her 2's can be interrupted.
    nope, she does not need more because even though she does not have ulti, she has 6 skills to make up for it. That's 3 skills replacing 1 ulti. This means she can spam you non-stop which makes her no-brain-required in fact. She actually has more CC than most guardians and on top of that, she has 2 heals and a dash. Ymir for example has a strong CC. He has lesser CC than Artio but does not have an escape. Now that's a weakness.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lyralis View Post
    Her druid 3 can be interrupted before it even does damage.

    Her bear 3 can be interrupted before she moves 10 units.

    Her bear 1 can be interrupted before she does damage.

    Her druid 1 is the only one that still is off CD if it's interrupted.

    Her bear/druid 2 can't be interrupted but they're both melee range.
    Well the thing is, in a normal situation, a teamfight can only interrupt 1 or at most 2 of those skills and if a team uses their CC on her, she has 4 other teammates backing her up. I mean you can interrupt Ares' who is chaining your allies for example and that's just it. With Artio, you're suggesting we should interrupt all of her skills. That's OP, not just in my opinion but also a fact.

    It's funny that you consider interrupt able skills as weakness but not Raijin's 1.
    Someone is cherry-picking.


    Quote Originally Posted by Pizlenut View Post
    Thats simply not true.
    she doesn't have a ranged basic.

    druid form should have a ranged basic and the bear form retains melee.
    lol. This argument is even more stupid than "you can CC her". You know who else does not have a range basic? Each one of her fellow guardian except Sylvanus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GogetaAR View Post
    It wouldn't make sense, especially because her cripple and her 1 require her to be in a melee range.
    Good point, I forgot that it would make her abilities look weird.

    Rip.

    Can we just give Artio a similar but new kit and make her a mage so I can play her?


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