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    Quote Originally Posted by WILANDRIA View Post
    i wasnt actually sure until i looked. most mages use 60 mana not 30. i just threw it out as an example.



    so blow 60 ands receive 18 back, that is not sustain.. be an aaa based, blow 120 mana be back to full in not time flat


    and yet again vs is garbage
    I was aware your example was too low. I was pointing out why it was a bad example. You still get a 25% refund. Meanwhile, to make back 120 mana, a hunter has to hit 60 basic attacks. After blowing 120 mana, you're not going to get anywhere near that unless you just don't use abilities for a few waves. You really overestimate DT.

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    it is still better than the return vs gives u.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WILANDRIA View Post
    it is still better than the return vs gives u.
    It also takes a helluva lot longer in earlier levels; and the later the game goes, the less DT gives over VS because when both the mage and hunter one-shot the back archers, the mage has gotten the full usage of VS while the hunter will only regain more if there's 2 brute minions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirKeksalot View Post
    I was aware your example was too low. I was pointing out why it was a bad example. You still get a 25% refund. Meanwhile, to make back 120 mana, a hunter has to hit 60 basic attacks. After blowing 120 mana, you're not going to get anywhere near that unless you just don't use abilities for a few waves. You really overestimate DT.
    Are they changing Death's Toll again? I though it gave 4 mana per hit, so 30 basics? The 2 mana is for AE attacks (to slow down Baellona and Osiris, basically).
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandomToon View Post
    Are they changing Death's Toll again? I though it gave 4 mana per hit, so 30 basics? The 2 mana is for AE attacks (to slow down Baellona and Osiris, basically).
    Oh yeah, I got that mixed up. 30 AA's is still going to take a couple of minion waves to make back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirKeksalot View Post
    Oh yeah, I got that mixed up. 30 AA's is still going to take a couple of minion waves to make back.
    Fair enough. However the mage won't make back his Mana from vs. with negative returns EVER. WHERE the hunter will, regardless how many waves. Thanks for making my point once again vs is shit

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    Quote Originally Posted by WILANDRIA View Post
    Fair enough. However the mage won't make back his Mana from vs. with negative returns EVER. WHERE the hunter will, regardless how many waves. Thanks for making my point once again vs is shit
    Negative returns--what are you going on about? Hit the wave, regain mana. It's that simple. I didn't make your point for you. Your point is just wrong. If DT is good, so is VS.

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    If it was like how you want mages would never have to call back letting it just be a stalemate until the ADC snowballs and pushes mid with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirKeksalot View Post
    Negative returns--what are you going on about? Hit the wave, regain mana. It's that simple. I didn't make your point for you. Your point is just wrong. If DT is good, so is VS.
    He means they must spend more mana to activate vs than it gives back, so no matter how many minion waves they push through they won't recover mana like someone with DT can.

    Personally I think death's toll just shouldn't give mana as health is enough sustain, but the new vampire shroud is fine the way it is.

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