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    Guardians are out!

    In season 4 they reduced the XP and Gold earned from waves and buffed this for Jungle camps. This means that when Guardians and/or rest of the team falls behind in Conquest, they will get less gold and experience than they used before. This is specially applied to Guardians as you will realise you are underleveld and underperforming no matter what you do, unless you are a fed guardian and your team have good jungle controll. If you find yourself in a position were you and your team cant farm from the jungle due to the enemy having better controll or are leading in other ways, you will eventually lose the game. Now you have to share waves with your teammates trying to defend towers and phoenixes as the enmey team get more and more money and levels due to their controll. This happens often due to the team with best early game usually start clearing the jungle withouth the other team being able to contest, because they will be 1 or two levels behind.

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    They also buffed Watchers Gift giving 5 gold per assist instead of 4.
    This feeling when your team is far behind and you have no prospects for late game but for some reason players still doesnt want to surrender - MOBA Cancer.

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    Guardians can also work perfectly fine in the meta right now as solo laners, junglers, and supports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorfindal View Post
    Doesnt that mean that guardians cant dont do their jobs right, or not as good as they did earlier. You do realise
    Class =/= role. The second you realize this, you are freed from the bonds of the non-existent meta. No class has a set "job," each god simply has things they're good at. Also, support isn't dead because of their aforementioned gold buffs on Watcher's.

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    You just addd a new point that I missed. Guardians are better playing other roles now and cant do their jobs as the support as well as they did Why not put khumba solo and posiodon support as he can easily destroy the enemy duo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorfindal View Post
    You just addd a new point that I missed. Guardians are better playing other roles now and cant do their jobs as the support as well as they did Why not put khumba solo and posiodon support as he can easily destroy the enemy duo?
    Is your name a reference to the Fellowship of the ring elf? Although, his name is spelled Glorfindel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorfindal View Post
    You just addd a new point that I missed. Guardians are better playing other roles now and cant do their jobs as the support as well as they did Why not put khumba solo and posiodon support as he can easily destroy the enemy duo?
    Again, no class has an actual "job." If Poseidon support is good, there is no reason not to use it. Same for Kumbha solo, which it is.

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    You just addd a new point that I missed. Guardians are better playing other roles now and cant do their jobs as the support as well as they did Why not put khumba solo and posiodon support as he can easily destroy the enemy duo?
    There are few reasons:
    1) Mages have high scaling damage which require you to buy a lot of items and without farm you cant do this.
    2) Guardians doesnt build damage cause they have low scaling and high base damage, so even without farm can do much more than mages.
    3) ADC doesnt need you to steal his farm by last hitting wave.
    4) Guardians doesnt need stack items = doesnt need to steal ADC farm.

    Same for Kumbha solo
    Yea Kumbha solo is beast in mid and late game.
    Last edited by ZetoPL; 03-15-2017 at 10:06 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZetoPL View Post
    2) Guardians doesnt build damage cause they have low scaling and high base damage, so even without farm can do much more than mages.
    This is 100% false. Looking at the actual scaling of most guardians, they tend to have rather good scaling. In particular, you have Athena, Ymir, Bacchus, Ares, and Xing Tian, just to name a few. High power does them good.

    Also, you don't need stacking items to have high power. Hell, you don't even need to stack BoT for it to give you a lot of power; the stacks only grant you an additional, what, 20 power?

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    This is 100% false. Looking at the actual scaling of most guardians, they tend to have rather good scaling. In particular, you have Athena, Ymir, Bacchus, Ares, and Xing Tian, just to name a few. High power does them good.

    Also, you don't need stacking items to have high power. Hell, you don't even need to stack BoT for it to give you a lot of power; the stacks only grant you an additional, what, 20 power?
    Ymir have 50%/70% and confirming his full ult is ridiculously hard.
    Bacchus 70%/60%/70%
    Ares shackles have some % but rest is only 56% and 40%

    Full pen is much more rewarding for them than power.
    This feeling when your team is far behind and you have no prospects for late game but for some reason players still doesnt want to surrender - MOBA Cancer.

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