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    Quote Originally Posted by LuxInterior View Post
    Add ghosting to Aegis or Beads upgrade, remove the item.
    That's a simple way to fix the problem. But do we really want to buff them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enigmatisty View Post
    That's a simple way to fix the problem. But do we really want to buff them?
    I think it's kinda double-edged. It won't make much of a difference in most cases and it also means that, if you use it to save yourself from Odin or whatever, you've burned your Aegis. It's individual, you can only walk out of the cage, because of the self-silence, and can be CC'd so it ends before you walk out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuxInterior View Post
    I think it's kinda double-edged. It won't make much of a difference in most cases and it also means that, if you use it to save yourself from Odin or whatever, you've burned your Aegis. It's individual, you can only walk out of the cage, because of the self-silence, and can be CC'd so it ends before you walk out.
    It's not really that double edged.

    Right now, when you're up against Odin, you have to think about sacrificing one of Aegis or Beads in order to pick up Phantom.

    Tacking Phantom onto Aegis or Beads means there's one less situation that might make you not take Aegis + Beads on every non-support.

    Aegis and Beads need to be less powerful, so we can legitimately use other Relics more often. They don't need additional utility on already the best relics in the game.
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    I still take hand of the gods for jungle buff clearing.... though with it not being able to hurt bull demon anymore it falls off really early. If they took away the cd reduction on jungle monster kill and instead made it hit all enemies in range I'd be in love with it again.

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    If I see Cab/Ymir/Odin or any other god with barrier, I'll take Phantom Veil even with 180 sec mad CD.

    Yes, Hi-Rez should reduce its CD, but it can save your team from dying and survive to fight another time/not feeding the enemy.

    Right now, because of 3min CD, this relic true power shines when 2-3 players take it.

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    Phantom needs something more, I don't know what, but I agree it doesn't seem worth it in its current state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chang Ughhhh View Post
    Phantom needs something more, I don't know what, but I agree it doesn't seem worth it in its current state.
    it needs its cooldown recuced

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuxInterior View Post
    Add ghosting to Aegis or Beads upgrade, remove the item.
    they won't make Aegies and Beads too OP.

    the Phantoms problem is, you don't get huge benefit like what another relics do.
    you always have to deal with Odin ulti in combination with another ultis like cupid/Hou/Ah/ ymir/posiden 3 and ulti. and even if you use your Phantom that dosen't mean you will survive with all these ton of slow effects.

    i think that Phantom must be reworked. my suggestion for it
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    Rather see aegis nerfed then phantom buffed instead.
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    I've had a few instances against Sylvanus and Chaac where Phantom was good as a counter to them, but the cooldown for it is pretty steep without Relic Dagger.
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