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    Phantom and its uselessness

    Why can't I fuckign use this relic when my aegis is on. Odin uses his ult on me He immediatly jumps on me I aegis to counter his OP jump. I press Phantom and nothing..???..??? Eventually after aegis is down their whole team behind me has catched up with Odin and Im wrecked to death. Why can I use beads and aegis simultanously but not phantom and aegis. I noticed sprint has the same rule why in gods name does beads gets a pass? and all the other useless relics don't?
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    Well I know you can use beads while under crowd control such as stuns and silences. Aegis makes it so you can't attack, only move, so it is effectively silencing and disabling you which beads ignore. It would be nice if you could use all relics while under aegis though, having to use aegis 2nd just isn't always viable.

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    To be honest, it kind of feels like they forgot that Phantom exists.

    Given that it has a 900 year cooldown and its upgrade just gives it an excessively long duration.

    Meanwhile, Aegis + Beads, the 2 best relics in the game have shorter CD's and their upgrades both further shorten their CD's. Because everyone loves playing against them /s
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    Quote Originally Posted by Relanah View Post
    To be honest, it kind of feels like they forgot that Phantom exists.

    Given that it has a 900 year cooldown and its upgrade just gives it an excessively long duration.

    Meanwhile, Aegis + Beads, the 2 best relics in the game have shorter CD's and their upgrades both further shorten their CD's. Because everyone loves playing against them /s
    I will never understand the logic behing that decision with phantom. It is got pretty much exclusively to counter Odins cage. Given how frequently he can put that bastarding thing down you would think giving phantoms upgrade reduced cd would make sense. Well thats not how Hi-Rezs balance team works. 500 gold to be intangible for 10 seconds is not an upgrade in my eyes, its a waste of a damn relic.
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    They don't know what to do with the damn thing. First it was an aggressive relic that gave you Fatalis effect, now it's some kind of knockup counter—all the while giving you the ghost effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonanTheGreat View Post
    I will never understand the logic behing that decision with phantom. It is got pretty much exclusively to counter Odins cage. Given how frequently he can put that bastarding thing down you would think giving phantoms upgrade reduced cd would make sense. Well thats not how Hi-Rezs balance team works. 500 gold to be intangible for 10 seconds is not an upgrade in my eyes, its a waste of a damn relic.
    I mean, technically it also gives 40% CCR and immunity to knockups.

    But really it has a god damn 180s CD. No-one in their right mind would pick it up and use it for the CCR. Then when you actually do want to use it (Odin Ring and Cabroken Walls) you're not going to be getting CC'd because YOU'RE ALREADY TRAPPED.

    But yeah... 500g for an extra 5 second duration is so dumb. Like, if 5 seconds doesn't buy you enough time, you dun goofed. 10s is massive overkill.

    Really, at this point, you're better off just spending 750g on the teleport ritual and just having a 0 CD GTFO button. Sure it's more costly overall to counter Rings and such. But at least you get 2 not god awful relics for the 99% of the game where you're not caught in Odin ult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Relanah View Post
    I mean, technically it also gives 40% CCR and immunity to knockups.

    But really it has a god damn 180s CD. No-one in their right mind would pick it up and use it for the CCR. Then when you actually do want to use it (Odin Ring and Cabroken Walls) you're not going to be getting CC'd because YOU'RE ALREADY TRAPPED.

    But yeah... 500g for an extra 5 second duration is so dumb. Like, if 5 seconds doesn't buy you enough time, you dun goofed. 10s is massive overkill.

    Really, at this point, you're better off just spending 750g on the teleport ritual and just having a 0 CD GTFO button. Sure it's more costly overall to counter Rings and such. But at least you get 2 not god awful relics for the 99% of the game where you're not caught in Odin ult.
    Thats the thing about it though, it counters very specific things once every three minutes. You'd be better getting beads, stone of gaia and combat blink instead of phantom, it really has an incredibly confused identity that requires they enemy team to have a very specific comp to make it worth wasting a relic slot over.

    They should either give it a shorter cd and remove the ccr knockup stuff, or if they persist with this ritual crap then make phantom a 500gold single use item and add a relic worth picking up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonanTheGreat View Post
    I will never understand the logic behing that decision with phantom. It is got pretty much exclusively to counter Odins cage. Given how frequently he can put that bastarding thing down you would think giving phantoms upgrade reduced cd would make sense. Well thats not how Hi-Rezs balance team works. 500 gold to be intangible for 10 seconds is not an upgrade in my eyes, its a waste of a damn relic.
    i never upgrade that relic the only use of that relic is getting out of odin's cage people build odin for cdr so they can throw more cages but the stupid upgrade allows you to pass through objects for 10 secs whats the friggin use? you use the item get out of cage takes 1-2 sec thats it no more use Atleast give it a 100 sec download for upgrade. i just save and use that 500 gold on completing my build

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    The day Gaia got that knockup buff is when Phantom lost any reason to be used whatsoever. CCR is useless as all hell especially when it's being tacked onto commonly used defense items, so there really is no point in having it stick around. I mean, if they want ghosting to be still available then it might as well be given to certain gods (like hitting an ally with Osiris 1 or 2 gives them the effect for 2s, etc).
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