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    Quote Originally Posted by Macaulyn2 View Post
    Both offer basically the same penetration, but Executioner offers attack speed, which is much better for Kali's DPS, specially in combination with Qin's Sais. So, yes, Executioner is more efficient on her than Titan's.
    yeah cause losing 3 hits worth of pen in a fight is very effective

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    You all have issues....room for one more person with issues?

    Actual Defense = (Protection × (1-%Reduction) - Flat Reduction) × (1-%Pen) - Flat Pen

    Titan=33%
    Executioner= 12%x3 pen reduction

    100-300 protections

    Titan:
    67 = 100 × (1-33%)
    201 = 300 × (1-33%)

    Executioner:
    64 = 100 × (1-(12% x 3))
    192 = 300 × (1-(12% x 3))

    Both offer 30 power, but Executioner offers 25% attack speed. On an aa based god, Executioner is probably the better deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkFuma View Post
    You all have issues....room for one more person with issues?

    Actual Defense = (Protection × (1-%Reduction) - Flat Reduction) × (1-%Pen) - Flat Pen

    Titan=33%
    Executioner= 12%x3 pen reduction

    100-300 protections

    Titan:
    67 = 100 × (1-33%)
    201 = 300 × (1-33%)

    Executioner:
    64 = 100 × (1-(12% x 3))
    192 = 300 × (1-(12% x 3))

    Both offer 30 power, but Executioner offers 25% attack speed. On an aa based god, Executioner is probably the better deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkFuma View Post
    You all have issues....room for one more person with issues?

    Actual Defense = (Protection × (1-%Reduction) - Flat Reduction) × (1-%Pen) - Flat Pen

    Titan=33%
    Executioner= 12%x3 pen reduction

    100-300 protections

    Titan:
    67 = 100 × (1-33%)
    201 = 300 × (1-33%)

    Executioner:
    64 = 100 × (1-(12% x 3))
    192 = 300 × (1-(12% x 3))

    Both offer 30 power, but Executioner offers 25% attack speed. On an aa based god, Executioner is probably the better deal.
    on hit 1:
    Exe offers 0, titan offers 33

    on hit 2:
    exe offers 12 (reduction, so this makes your passive have less effective pen) and titan still offers 33

    on hit 3:
    24 vs 33

    on hit 4:
    36 vs 33

    so if you hit 4 times
    exe will be granting 72 (as a number to compare variables) while titan offers 133

    Sorry but no, exe is for when you need a lot of basics to finish down a target, AKA on warriors, not on high damaging gods

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    IceQueen just stop. Just stop trying to prove people wrong when they already proved you wrong because they done the math which you've shown you are incapable to do. People tested it, you are exaggerating it.

    Stop being so stubborn. Bite your lip and stop.

    Second advice, know when to stop and admit being wrong. Theorycrafters exist for a reason and we mastered our craft. You are trying to imitate it.

    You don't think neutral because you have extreme tunnel vision.

    Right now this is becoming borderline trolling.
    Last edited by MiyobiKumagawa; 11-26-2016 at 12:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IceQueenLaSaia View Post
    on hit 1:
    Exe offers 0, titan offers 33

    on hit 2:
    exe offers 12 (reduction, so this makes your passive have less effective pen) and titan still offers 33

    on hit 3:
    24 vs 33

    on hit 4:
    36 vs 33

    so if you hit 4 times
    exe will be granting 72 (as a number to compare variables) while titan offers 133

    Sorry but no, exe is for when you need a lot of basics to finish down a target, AKA on warriors, not on high damaging gods
    Assuming I read your post correctly, no.

    Titan's Bane is only good for when you need to shred towers or if you're an ability-based Assassin, that being said, the 25% AS contribution to your stats is more valuable than first three autos, simply because you will not be dealing enough immediate damage with Titan's Bane to be a gold efficient item on any AA based God. On top of that, each point of protection is worth about a tenth of a percentage of damage reduction, (I will have to get the exact number to present it more formally.) thus, making the purchase of Titan's Bane void on ADCS unless you have more than four towers available on the map by the team fighting stage.

    On top of that, what the hell are you on about "You only need exe to finish off only warriors and not high damaging gods"? News flash: it takes more than three auto attacks to kill even the squishiest Gods, and that's assuming you get lucky with crits. Let's not even talk about how misconstrued your logic here is, when thinking logically, you want the extra AS to deal more damage faster.

    If you can't hit AAs consistently, then that's the only reason why I'd see someone purchase Titan's Bane, and even then, if you can't hit AAs, then perhaps you shouldn't be in the ADC role.

    You've had numerous facts presented before you, at which point you've denied them, you've denied mathematics as well, you shouldn't be here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beviah View Post
    Assuming I read your post correctly, no.

    Titan's Bane is only good for when you need to shred towers or if you're an ability-based Assassin, that being said, the 25% AS contribution to your stats is more valuable than first three autos, simply because you will not be dealing enough immediate damage with Titan's Bane to be a gold efficient item on any AA based God. On top of that, each point of protection is worth about a tenth of a percentage of damage reduction, (I will have to get the exact number to present it more formally.) thus, making the purchase of Titan's Bane void on ADCS unless you have more than four towers available on the map by the team fighting stage.

    On top of that, what the hell are you on about "You only need exe to finish off only warriors and not high damaging gods"? News flash: it takes more than three auto attacks to kill even the squishiest Gods, and that's assuming you get lucky with crits. Let's not even talk about how misconstrued your logic here is, when thinking logically, you want the extra AS to deal more damage faster.

    If you can't hit AAs consistently, then that's the only reason why I'd see someone purchase Titan's Bane, and even then, if you can't hit AAs, then perhaps you shouldn't be in the ADC role.

    You've had numerous facts presented before you, at which point you've denied them, you've denied mathematics as well, you shouldn't be here.
    as kali i have killed some guys before the 5th attack so yes it is rather worth it to have those 3 hits with pen already, compared to exe that makes me need 6 and offers diminished attack speed

    btw you read it wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by IceQueenLaSaia View Post
    as kali i have killed some guys before the 5th attack so yes it is rather worth it to have those 3 hits with pen already, compared to exe that makes me need 6 and offers diminished attack speed
    Personal experience doesn't constitute you to make claims. When you theory craft, you base it on numbers alone and practical testing.

    You've done neither and haven't contributed well to people telling you what you are doing wrong.

    Stop it. It's becoming an issue since we are trying to help players. Not mislead them.

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    You also fail to mention her 2 and 3.

    More attacks on bleeding targets = more lifesteal proccs.
    More attacks during her 3's steroid = more damage withint that time period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiyobiKumagawa View Post
    Personal experience doesn't constitute you to make claims. When you theory craft, you base it on numbers alone and practical testing.

    You've done neither and haven't contributed well to people telling you what you are doing wrong.
    and i had already given the numbers. you lose pen going executioner, because of how kali passive works. a target with 300 protections is being reduced to 200ish making kali passive penetrate 60 rather than the 90 it would usually penetrate with titan bane

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