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    Quote Originally Posted by MagicFighter View Post
    Breastplate and Jouthen's need more adjustments, they still outshine a majority of items in the game.
    Jotuuns is so strong because crap like BoV exist.

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    The CD nerf to 20% was enough. Before, you overcapped by going BoV + Jotunn's, which was the reason you didn't see it often. Now it's just bread and butter and there's nothing wrong, actually, because you have 3 items left to choose. I'd rather see other items buffed. Some are never seen, like Masamune or Heartseeker.

    Anyway, I think it's a mistake going for that combo with basic attackers. You'll never see me building Bellona or Osiris that way.
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    I think warriors have some variety still, albeit a little bit but when it comes to defense i feel they dropped the ball completely in the defensive items, the passives for the most part are shit. Same with hunters, that's why i like skadi, she's the first real hunter you don't need crit or qin sais on. You can build her completely different and be effective still.

    As for hybrid items i do compare them to regular defensive items, because I'm going to replace one of those items with a hybrid item. Ancile won't replace bulwark, nemean or valor won't be replaced by void shield. Frostbound and witch blade have the same passive minus the slow and they don't stack, so why would i ever go witch blade, even on an Osiris or bellona I'd still always go frostbound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McKnightrider View Post
    I think warriors have some variety still, albeit a little bit but when it comes to defense i feel they dropped the ball completely in the defensive items, the passives for the most part are shit. Same with hunters, that's why i like skadi, she's the first real hunter you don't need crit or qin sais on. You can build her completely different and be effective still.

    As for hybrid items i do compare them to regular defensive items, because I'm going to replace one of those items with a hybrid item. Ancile won't replace bulwark, nemean or valor won't be replaced by void shield. Frostbound and witch blade have the same passive minus the slow and they don't stack, so why would i ever go witch blade, even on an Osiris or bellona I'd still always go frostbound.
    Nah, Void Shield is awesome. It's not bought often only for the sheep effect. You can survive with only 20% CDR or nothing at all.

    Bulwark is a crutch item. It allows you to be stupid and stay at the middle of everyone when you shouldn't. I much rather have Ancille, even more if I'm using basics a lot.
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    From what I've seen, BOV and Jotuns are built every game, same with Bulwark. Many items I've never seen built.

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    Everyone goes valor + bulwark for def on warriors/tanky assassins. Am i the only one who goes urchin + discord? I only ever buy valor on support guardians.

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    I think we need more comboes of CDR and passives, more variety of items. Jotunn's is a staple on every physical because its stats and CDR and simply too good to pass up, and BoV is so popular because once again, mana, great protections, and CDR. There's literally no reason to exclude these because they give the full cap now.

    I mean, I can't be the only one who's tired of seeing Jotunn's+BoV on almost every physical on both teams these days...
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    Other items need to be buffed, they nerfed everything into the fucking ground, while Bulwark, Breastplate and Nemean were still kept as utterly amazing items. Now they're the only viable items because everything else sucks dick.

    Like seriously why in the world would you actually buy Gaia? As for witchblade, with minus 30 power, it honestly seems like an early game item. That's kinda useless in the lategame.

    The season 3 item changes were terrible. Honestly, the only thing that changed about Guardians and Warriors, is they can't build as much defense, and need to throw some damage in. End result being they shit on you harder than they did in season 2.

    Quote Originally Posted by LuxInterior View Post
    Bulwark is a crutch item. It allows you to be stupid and stay at the middle of everyone when you shouldn't. I much rather have Ancille, even more if I'm using basics a lot.
    Which is why every guardian and warrior ever picks it up. They can face tank for longer, letting their team do things.
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    I buy Ancile and Heartseeker plenty.

    Heartseeker's actually pretty good for an early pick-up if you're behind on ability-based gods like AMC. The extra attack speed plus stronger abilities is perfect for him.
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    The problem with new items it's that they are very situationnal and even in the right situation you could still do good with the basical build.

    Genji's guard

    Cost: 1150 (2400)

    +80 Magical Protection
    +20% Crowd Control Reduction
    +20 MP5

    PASSIVE – Your HP5 is increased by +150%, and your Movement Speed by 20% for 5s upon taking Magical Damage. Can only occur once every 30s.
    They wanted us to use it on Xing tian... Did you see the CD of Xing tian abilities ? 14/18/15/100
    WIthout full CDR what are we supposed to do after each rotation ?

    Anyway, 150% of your hp5 during 5 sec with a CD of 30 sec. It means that with Athena who got a good HP5 (26) you can get = 69 hp5 for 5 sec every 30 sec at level 20. Woohoo ! 14 hp/s awesome for a tank. How did we play smite without this item the seasons before ?

    Seriously don't you see the problem Tanks have against penetration build that almost every damage dealer are getting now ? They don't have the kind of gameplay that allow them to take advantage of magical lifesteal, they don't have good self-heal and most don't even have bad self-heal, one assassin or hunter or an Ao quang can shred them very fast, they are in great needs of CDR, and your super new item grant them 69 Hp every 30 sec at max level ?

    Oni Hunter's Garb
    Cost: 650 (1900)

    +60 Magical Protection
    +15% Crowd Control Reduction
    +20 MP5

    PASSIVE – Every 10s out of combat you gain +15 Magical Protection (max 3 stacks). Upon taking Magical Damage 1 stack is removed.
    You'd better not be an aggressive player in arena mode to use this... This item is clearly design for ranked joust ! did they lack that much of imagination in the team which creates the gear or what ??

    Masamune
    Cost: 900 (2200)

    +50 Physical Power
    +10% Movement Speed

    PASSIVE – You deal additional Physical Power damage against Gods with more maximum health than you, equal to 1 power for every 10 health difference, to a maximum of 50 Damage.
    It's an interesting concept... the problem is that tanks already have a hard time with Penetration build, Soul reaver, %hp damage abilities, execution abilities.
    Personnaly i use masamune on Ah muzen Cab. It's my only movement speed item and i don't put any Health gear on him to get the most of the passive effect of Masamune on every targets. Once again tanks are just forced to run away as soon as i begin to shoot at them since i just make too much damage to them (masamune, penetration, critique).
    It's a good concept but it wasn't needed.

    Tank buster build have to be a specialisation ! You shouldn't just take the everybody damage-dealer build and hope defeating easily a tank ! It's so stupid !
    If you're good against tank, then you've to be "bad" against squichies... As an example, executionner is a problem since he offers Atk speed and penetration and power, it means you become good against tank and still get atk speed to fight back an other hunter/assassin. Qin saïs is a problem, since it offer %hp damage + Atk speed + power. You'll shred everyone with that not only a Tank.

    All that to say that this season is not better and maybe less interesting than the others in term of Build.

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