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    Is there ever a case where, as a mage, you should get both spear of the Magus and Obsidian shard? I've been doing this for some time now in an effort to get the most out of my damage (usually on gods like Zues and KKK). If it's not really worth it, than i could swap out that slow for another item.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radiantkaiser View Post
    Is there ever a case where, as a mage, you should get both spear of the Magus and Obsidian shard? I've been doing this for some time now in an effort to get the most out of my damage (usually on gods like Zues and KKK). If it's not really worth it, than i could swap out that slow for another item.
    Yes, it is good, despite what the majority say. Especially on KKK, you want SotM for your Tornado but you also want Obsidian for your Ult.

    The only item that outclasses Spear of the Magus is Spear of Desolation.

    If you think you'll get Deso at least 5 mins before the game ends, get Deso. If not, get SotM.

    Soul Reaver is an alternative to SotM and they are fairly equal in damage output. Except SR costs more, and if the passive isn't up, SotM will do more.

    Hope this helped c:
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    Is there ever a case where, as a mage, you should get both spear of the Magus and Obsidian shard? I've been doing this for some time now in an effort to get the most out of my damage (usually on gods like Zues and KKK). If it's not really worth it, than i could swap out that slow for another item.
    If you want use this build on Conquest then no:
    -you overcap mage defence
    -0 utility like CDR
    -if you want go full damage choose Spear of Desolation instead
    -Magus reduce Shard pen
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZetoPL View Post
    If you want use this build on Conquest then no:
    -you overcap mage defence
    -0 utility like CDR
    -if you want go full damage choose Spear of Desolation instead
    -Magus reduce Shard pen
    On KKK SotM does more than Desolation most of the time. 45 pen is huge.

    Especially on KKK with his 120+ power passive, that means that the 120 power from Deso is kinda diminished.
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    On KKK SotM does more than Desolation most of the time. 45 pen is huge.

    Especially on KKK with his 120+ power passive, that means that the 120 power from Deso is kinda diminished.
    Surely Magus is perfect for KKK, but not Magus + Obsidian which is whole question about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZetoPL View Post
    Surely Magus is perfect for KKK, but not Magus + Obsidian which is whole question about.
    Honestly depends. Shard is better for raw ults, if you hit them with whirlwinds then magus is better, there is an argument for both if you like slapping tanks around but it's a weak argument here. Personally I would just take a magus because a kkk is looking to zone them out rather than blow them up.

    So basically, yeah. Don't take both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZetoPL View Post
    Surely Magus is perfect for KKK, but not Magus + Obsidian which is whole question about.
    Especially on KKK, you want SotM for your Tornado but you also want Obsidian for your Ult.
    Getting both can be helpful. You sometimes start a fight by blasting your ult.

    Also your combo is normally 1-3, with 1 having huge burst, having Obsi is good for that, while SotM is for the shred potential of the tornado.

    Dunno but to me KKK synergizes with both very nicely.

    I've even seen a quadra-pen build on him before and it was scary AF (he did great) (pen boot-SotM-Obsi-Deso-Thoth-Tahuti)

    Both items have different functions, but pen is pen and thus they will do damage regardless.
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    Getting both can be helpful. You sometimes start a fight by blasting your ult.

    Also your combo is normally 1-3, with 1 having huge burst, having Obsi is good for that, while SotM is for the shred potential of the tornado.

    Dunno but to me KKK synergizes with both very nicely.

    I've even seen a quadra-pen build on him before and it was scary AF (he did great) (pen boot-SotM-Obsi-Deso-Thoth-Tahuti)

    Both items have different functions, but pen is pen and thus they will do damage regardless.
    No, please stop confuse ppl, you buy Magus on gods with multiple ticks abilities or Obsidian on gods with single damage abilities, there can be situations where you should buy Obsidian instead of Magus but never both. There is no room for two items with low power and 0 utility. In normal game you get destroyed before you even unload whole kit with this build.
    Last edited by ZetoPL; 01-11-2017 at 04:00 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZetoPL View Post
    No, please stop confuse ppl, you buy Magus on gods with multiple ticks abilities or Obsidian on gods with single damage abilities, there can be situations where you should buy Obsidian instead of Magus but never both. There is no room for two items with low power and 0 utility. In normal game you get destroyed before you even unload whole kit with this build.
    Kuku has both.

    110 power from 2 items is admittedly low but you get 45+33% pen which shreds everyone, especially tanks.

    You shouldn't always build the two (unless in arena and you're me and it makes sense logically but whatever) but there are times when you need both the benefits of both items.
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    Buying Magus and Obsidian its just silly and not good at all they just counter each other you only need one of those penetration items
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