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    How much defense do towers, Phoenixs, Titans and objectives have?

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    Towers have 150 physical and magical protections. They also only take 85% damage from physicals, while magicals do an extra 20% damage. Backdoor protections half all damage.

    Phoenixes are the same as towers, but regen 8 health per second.

    Titans have 60 + 5 per tower + 15 per phoenix physical protection and 35 + 2 per tower + 6 per phoenix magical protection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrinceRaven View Post
    I really wouldn't recommend Obsidian Shard on Janus considering you can fully stack Spear with Threshold into Portal before hitting a target with Unstable Vortex.
    Threshold doesn't apply Spear stack.

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    I thought that too for a very long time, but it turns out the bonus scaling from Threshould after hitting them with another ability is actually an individual tick of damage, which will apply a Spear stack.
    Last edited by PrinceRaven; 12-08-2015 at 07:22 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLethalCorgi View Post
    How much defense do towers, Phoenixs, Titans and objectives have?
    Go read the word of thoth. I sticky things for a reason.


    Quote Originally Posted by PrinceRaven View Post
    I really wouldn't recommend Obsidian Shard on Janus considering you can fully stack Spear with Threshold into Portal before hitting a target with Unstable Vortex.
    but here's the thing. If you do that, you end up in an "all in" position. You lose both of your main escapes. Furthermore, janus can't hold onto the stacks like a spammier god, like anubis, freya, or poseidon, that can virtually keep the spear applied at all times.

    Janus profits more from shard simply because he can't spam.

    Quote Originally Posted by PrinceRaven View Post
    I thought that too for a very long time, but it turns out the bonus scaling from Threshould after hitting them with another ability is actually an individual tick of damage, which will apply a Spear stack.

    It really shouldn't apply a stack, simply for the fact that it doesn't deal damage. Might be a glitch, or maybe the unstable vortex hitting twice applies 2 stacks instead of 1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingScuba View Post
    but here's the thing. If you do that, you end up in an "all in" position. You lose both of your main escapes. Furthermore, janus can't hold onto the stacks like a spammier god, like anubis, freya, or poseidon, that can virtually keep the spear applied at all times.

    Janus profits more from shard simply because he can't spam.
    Well you can always hold the ultimate and, with full CDR, his portal will be back in 7.2 seconds. Even if you don't want to use your whole kit you can hold Threshold and apply a single Spear stack with Portal which gives you better penetration than Obsidian Shard against 108 magical protection and under.

    It really shouldn't apply a stack, simply for the fact that it doesn't deal damage. Might be a glitch, or maybe the unstable vortex hitting twice applies 2 stacks instead of 1.
    Tested it myself, it deals damage directly after the damage from the ability used is dealt and applies a Spear stack. It's not a glitch, it's simply how the ability works.
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    Could you give item set up tips for arena Bellona I get focused on hard with cc and 3-4 players focus on me
    I know I read that conquest joust etc she is extremely strong but arena is where I play she does not hit the high numbers as my gods do for stats

    All the guides are outdated seems like many do not care to play after the nerf after nerf
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    Cool men!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    I have a small question, as Zeus. Should you get the Spear of the Magus, or Obsidian Shard?
    Last edited by JarlMikki; 03-03-2016 at 03:26 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JarlMikki View Post
    I have a small question, as Zeus. Should you get the Spear of the Magus, or Obsidian Shard?
    Spear of the magus because ZEUS ia ability based i also like getting demonic drip for ZEUS because his normal attacks have way more dmg

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