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KFire
05-19-2015, 01:27 PM
I think i am socially obligated to say that this thread is for 18+, but that would defeat its purpose. If i am going to make a post like this for 18+, i may as well not make any. Not to say that 18+ should not read it. If you feel like this content is not for you maybe you need it the most, but you are free to back before continuing reading.

I am going to start with some background.

I lived in Cuba. There i never had any sex ed in school. However, Cuban culture is quite open about sexuality, so not hearing about sex from professors never was a problem. I got to study it a lot tho with google's help later.

Now i live in USA. And i have to say that Unite States's culture on sexuality is extremely frustrated. You can see this in how most obscene words are sex related (fuck, bitch, slut, asshole, dick, etc). You can also see it in how often sex comes out in songs, musical videos, movies, art in general. That happens because culture about sex here goes down to "if you think about sex, you are going to hell", and we tend to use art and slang to release that frustration. It is prohibited, so we sneak it where we can do it.

I never had a sex ed class here so i am interested in what they teach. People in general start feeling curious about sexuality in their early 10s, but it is socially unacceptable to have a real sex talk until they are 18. That is how it seems. Most have several years where they are completely curious about sex, but are suppose to not talk, not hear, not show any thought related. As a result, two things happen.

they engage in sexual experiences with little to know knowledge.
they engage in sexual experiences with distorted and most times completely erroneous knowledge.


Porn is 2 clicks away from any computer, smartphone, or tablet with internet. It is super easy to watch porn. If someone has never had a real talk about sex, and they watch porn, they will eassily think that what they are watching is a sexual act. However, porn overall has very little in common with sex. I would say that it is quite the opposite. The only common thing is that in both people are naked. There are some porn movies that actually reflect a sexual act but they are so unnumbered by the ones that completely distort the notions of sex that is hard not to worry.

Some points to take into consideration about porn

women and men in porn are acting. It is fake. Near 100% of porn actors are drugged in scene. They a lot of times are drugged to not feel, so they can just focus on acting. So when someone looks like having fun and you would think that it should feel good, very likely you are wrong.
Positions, techniques, etc in porn are done so it looks good on camera. They have little to do with what feels good. For example, cunnilungus (oral sex done to a woman) in porn is mostly made with the giver's face as far away from woman's vulva (pussy) with a pointy streched tongue. They do that to give access to the camera to the oral sex. It has little to do with what she likes, but she looks like she is having the time of her life.
Sex in porn treats people as sexual objects. Women become something to stick it in and men become something that just wants to stick it in. Sex is just partially physical. A lot of sex is about intimacy, and about feeling closer to the person(very poor description tho) . How can porn be intimate when you are in front of a camera and a whole crew?. As an example, for most women is easier to have an orgasm while receiving oral sex, but most prefer penetration because they feel closer to their partner( i say why not both;)
porn rewires the pleasure seeking part of the brain specially for the young. They are exposed to so much graphic escenes and so many different "possible sexual partners" that they will stop to find sexy things sexy. To get their brains to get to the same level of excitement, they need more and more graphic escenes. If they leave porn, their brain will slowly recover.


Some books that i can advice are
-"The guide for getting it on" by paul joannides
I have not finish it yet but it is legen.. Wait for it... Dary
-"she comes first" by Ian Kerner
Read already :P

Be caring, explore, ask, VVGF :D

Hit me up with what you think on the topic.

Edit: I have not done any study on the topic. Most women this and that comes from studies that I have read. There is no rule to follow in sex. If you are a woman and you don't agree with it, it is fine. I said most and not all.

My intentions are far from offending anybody.

Porn:
Dictionary.com: noun
1.Sometimes, porno [pawr-noh] (Show IPA). pornography; sexually explicit videos, photographs, writings, or the like, produced to elicit sexual arousal (often used attributively): arrested for selling porn; a porn star;
porn films.
2.television shows, articles, photographs, etc., thought to cater to an excessive, irresistible desire for or interest in something:
a magazine filled with enticing food porn; an addiction to real-estate porn.

urban dictionary: The best thing in the world.

merrian-webster:
1: the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement
2: material (as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement
3: the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction <the pornography of violence>

legal dictionary: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/pornography

Kfire: Porn is a type of media that creates a similar brain reaction to the viewer than sex. It makes their brain release dopamine, oxytocin, and vasopressin. These hormones are also release in sex, hugs, kisses and are responsable of feeling pleasure(dopamine) and bonding (oxytocin and vasopressin).

Some thoughts in dopamine: the frequent use of porn(or any other drug per say) is going to cause that the viewer to seek more intense experiences to achieve the same level of dopamine. Some other things that release dopamine are sex, food, cocaine, alcohol, nicotine.

I may add something, and I also will talk about what i mean with proper sex ed when i sum it up :P

KingScuba
05-19-2015, 02:19 PM
Actually... no. not really.

It comes down to where you live in america for starters. America, unlike anywhere else in the world, is a massive culture hotspot. EVERYONE is here. which means we have every single belief, every single point of view, and every single good and bad associated there.

Just to give you an idea, I've lived in 13 different states across the USA. Here are a few of the different 'overall personalities' of the cities.

When I was up in washington, people were not friendly to their neighbors. We had a relationship that went as far as "if something is fubar in your yard, we'll tell you about it".

When I moved to a small town in Texas, the entire block welcomed us. We literally received a welcome basket (including pie, cookies, and bug spray (best thing in the basket we came to find out.))

We were culture shocked when we moved to Louisiana, simply by how people chose to dress and speak in public. Most people tended to be outright hostile, in fact.

We have people who don't care about sex all the way to people who scream "you're going to hell for masturbating", and everything in between.

Sex ed in school happens around the time you're 11 (iirc). The parents sign a waver allowing the teacher to teach them about Sexual Education. What we learn in there is pretty simple. We learn about the anatomy of the penis and vagina, STD's, safe sex, and pregnancy. Nothing more, nothing less.

Furthermore, the parents will also usually sit the kids down and have the sex talk around their teenage years. This usually involves the parent giving the child anti pregnancy devices, and urging them to be safe (Condoms, day after pills, etc). Teenagers are going to have sex (I lost my virginity when I was 10, myself. WAY earlier than normal.), and the only thing you can do is tell them to be safe about it, and hope they listen.

It's not proper here to talk about what happens between the sheets in public. In private, you'll find most young males (Below the age of 30) talking about their last shag. I find quite a few women are open to discussing their sexual habits here too. But again, that's between friends in private.

Most people don't really look to porn for teaching us how to do sex (not to mention porn is a terrible teacher... not to mention most common porn is god awful. I've never had a girl who did that whole "OH. OH. OHHHH' bs. What I have had is Deep breathing, laughing, or a subtle grunt when I hit the right spot, etc...

By the way. There's many aspects to porn. The one you're talking about is aimed only at young males who are straight.

There's a myriad of porn styles out there, aimed at a very wide variety of people in every age group and every fetish possible. It's a huge industry, but most people who look at porn only think of what you're talking about.

VoodooBae
05-19-2015, 02:24 PM
You cant begin to learn it at school. it starts at a very early age so family relations matter a lot. How family members treat each other, how much you know about your child, to what degree you communicate. in every house there should be a good and wide library that parents should arrange for all ages of their children and these books should be up on the shelves as they grow up. at the age of 12 I was reading tolstoy. k that was on an upper shelf and who cares if i could climb. You want them to have some freedom beyond what you personally can offer to them as well. thats why diversity is important. for example for their choice of religion, you can put not only what you believe on the shelves but also an introduction to all world religions and books explaining what is religion and why people choose to believe etc etc. If they read enough in all areas of life, enough good novels, enough poetry, science, psychology books they will have the basic education that they can build upon. If you dont have basic education in other areas of life, only sex education wont work. you cant be an engineer without knowing mathematics. you cant understand sex wihout understanding yourself first. what you do why you do it how this world turns around and why sky is blue. these are prerequistes to good sex life.

VarenWolf
05-19-2015, 03:24 PM
Well going to put my opinion out there. One am only 16 almost 17 but Porn is a big thing that is down in my highschool age group and I will not lie I watched it when I was 14 Haven't watched it for a good year and refuse because its something that was demeaning to women and its a part of my life I could not well Remember. Cause you see things can't un-see. I still sometimes have images pop into my head and thoughts that I deem inappropriate, Honestly Bothers me a ton when I do that. Otherwise its a lot better of not as many thoughts as when the beginning of 12 months ago. There are things that have made it easier not to do it than before but the constant pressure from Peers is a big thing. Hence why I don't really hang with many people to often. I've always known how that porn is not even close to real but its the mind that accepts it at the time. Well there you go guys, all ask is don't think differently of me

Disquieted1
05-19-2015, 04:13 PM
Porn is not the way to be educated about sex. Sex is morally subjective, so it should be taught from parents to children along with the values that come with it, like relationships and STDs.

KFire
05-19-2015, 07:48 PM
I am liking the replies so far :D but i can only think that you guys are a small sample of the population. People that come to serious discussion forums are educated ... mostly.

@KingScuba It is great to have the perspective from someone that have lived all over US :D.
Talking about sex is not just protection and sickness :P There is much more, way way more. I just think it is not talked enough for how important it is.

No one is going to talk about what happens in their beds. That is why i put those books there. It is way easier and more comfortable to learn from books that people can read in private. I am believer of watching carefully the knowledge that you acquire. I back up both of those books and if i find another really good one, I'll post it here.


By the way. There's many aspects to porn. The one you're talking about is aimed only at young males who are straight.

There's a myriad of porn styles out there, aimed at a very wide variety of people in every age group and every fetish possible. It's a huge industry, but most people who look at porn only think of what you're talking about.

I am a male straight :D. That is the porn that i have watched :P

I really tried to make this thread open to all genders and sexualities. I hope no one felt like I was not addressing them.

@VodooBae Interesting. You think people need to have general culture to have a satisfying sex life.
I am a nerd myself. I am reading since before I knew how to read :P. Maybe that along with the fact that i love applicable knowledge led me to study sex. Caring for knowing stuff is a prerequisite to caring for knowing about sex.

How i see it, there are 3 principles for fulfilling sex life. This is my personal opinion. You (anyone reading this) may want to add as many things as you wish.
The very first thing, be selfless. Want to please and enjoy pleasing just for the act of please.
Second, raise your standards. Do not 2x them. 10x them. The higher your standards the better it will be. I think it applies to anything really.
Third, open emotionally. Maybe harder to explain. Not just share bodies, but share emotions or soul if you must. (applies to wives/husbands, girlfriends/boyfriends not just any hook up)

@VarenWolf It would be hard to find someone that has not watched porn. Specially someone that got into their teens with internet in their home/phone lol. Porn is addicting as a drug. If you watched it and quit it, I respect you for it.

@Disquieted1 that is why I believe that people should be educated about sex and porn before they watch porn :P

AllknowingWolf
05-19-2015, 09:47 PM
I think i am socially obligated to say that this thread is for 18+, but that would defeat its purpose. If i am going to make a post like this for 18+, i may as well not make any. Not to say that 18+ should not read it. If you feel like this content is not for you maybe you need it the most, but you are free to back before continuing reading.

I am going to start with some background.

I lived in Cuba. There i never had any sex ed in school. However, cuban culture is quite open about sexuality, so not hearing about sex from professors never was a problem.

Now i live in USA. And i have to say that Unite States's culture on sexuality is extremely frustrated. You can see this in how most obsene words are sex related (fuck, bitch, slut, asshole, dick, etc). You can also see it in how often sex comes out in songs, musical videos, movies, art in general. That happens because culture about sex here goes down to "if you think about sex, you are going to hell", and we tend to use art and slang to release that frustration. It is prohibited, so we sneak it where we can do it.

I never had a sex ed class here so i am interested in what they teach. People in general start feeling curious about sexuality in their early 10s, but it is socially unacceptable to have a real sex talk until they are 18. That is how it seems. Most have several years where they are completely curious about sex, but are suppose to not talk, not hear, not show any thought related. As a result, two things happen.
-they engage in sexual experiences with little to know knowledge.
-they engage in sexual experiences with distorted and most times completely erroneous knowledge.

Porn is 2 clicks away from any computer, smartphone, or tablet with internet. It is super easy to watch porn. If someone has never had a real talk about sex, and they watch porn, they will eassily think that what they are watching is a sexual act. However, porn overall has very little in common with sex. I would say that it is quite the opposite. The only common thing is that in both people are naked. There are some porn movies that actually reflect a sexual act but they are so unnumbered by the ones that completely distort the notions of sex that is hard not to worry.

I am going to disarm some of the myths of porn.
-women and men in porn are acting. It is fake. Near 100% of porn actors are drugged in scene. They a lot of times are drugged to not feel, so they can just focus on acting. So when someone looks like having fun and you would think that it should feel good, very likely you are wrong.
-Positions, techniques, etc in porn are done so it looks good on camera. They have little to do with what feels good. For example, cunnilungus (oral sex done to a woman) in porn is mostly made with the giver's face as far away from woman's vulva (pussy) with a pointy streched tongue. They do that to give access to the camera to the oral sex. It has little to do with what she likes, but she looks like she is having the time of her life.
-Sex treats women as sexual objects and men as if they need to turn women into something to stick it in. Sex is just partially physical. A lot of sex is about intimacy, and about feeling closer to the person(very poor description tho) . How can porn be intimate when you are in front of a camera and a whole crew?. As an example, for most women is easier to have an orgasm while receiving oral sex, but most prefer penetration because they feel closer to their partner( i say why not both;)
-porn rewires the pleasure seeking part of the brain specially for the young. They are exposed to so much graphic escenes and so many different "possible sexual partners" that they will stop to find sexy things sexy. To get their brains to get to the same level of excitement, they need more and more graphic escenes. If they leave porn, their brain will slowly recover.

Some books that i can advice are
-"The guide for getting it on" by paul joannides
I have not finish it yet but it is legen.. Wait for it... Dary
-"she comes first" by Ian Kerner
Read already :P

Be caring, explore, ask, VVGF :D

Hit me up with what you think on the topic.

Edit: I have not done any study on the topic. Most women this and that comes from studies that I have read. There is no rule to follow in sex. If you are a woman and you don't agree with it, it is fine. I said most and not all.

My intentions are far from offending anybody.

Okay, let me debunk a few things spoken by you here,.

"Sex treats women as sexual objects and men as if they need to turn women into something to stick it in." Implies males like sex and women are the unfortunately are the only things they can have sex with BUT. Not true in the slightest. Women have sex more often than men, and have higher sex drives. That's why prostitution is highly composed of females.

http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/06/turns-out-women-have-really-really-strong-sex-drives-can-men-handle-it/276598/

Next, "but it is socially unacceptable to have a real sex talk until they are 18." Not only is sex ed being taught at younger ages than ever before in schools. Parents are forced to teach young teens before 18 about sex. Because more teens are having sex. Its not exactly something I consider good but its almost a social normality at the rate the world is heading.

"I never had a sex ed class here so i am interested in what they teach. People in general start feeling curious about sexuality in their early 10s, but it is socially unacceptable to have a real sex talk until they are 18. That is how it seems. Most have several years where they are completely curious about sex, but are suppose to not talk, not hear, not show any thought related. As a result, two things happen.
-they engage in sexual experiences with little to know knowledge.
-they engage in sexual experiences with distorted and most times completely erroneous knowledge."

Well, no matter how much training you have and knowledge...your first time will always be your worst. Sex isn't really something that can be taught. It's a psychical activity, You learn by doing...and not sure if that's even a bad thing really. But its not like there isn't a huge amount of information online. I'm sure the new generation can be far more informed about sex, then the previous generations were.

-women and men in porn are acting. It is fake. Near 100% of porn actors are drugged in scene.

http://thoughtcatalog.com/bella-vendetta/2014/04/10-things-you-think-you-know-about-porn-which-are-actually-incorrect/ Untrue myth. A lot of porn is amateur porn with is literally a boy and his girlfriend having sex.

As for the general feeling of porn and what it does? Even as someone who doesn't care about sex and has basically never watched porn in his life. Porn is harmless. And it can go far beyond what people can do in real life. As I lot of fetishes for most adults or teens. Can not be reasonable practiced. Porn just helps them relief tension. Also sex can be a wonderful stress relief and can be healthy. So no, its not making teens have sex wrong. Or causing any real harm. Just my two cents on the issue.

http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/guide/sex-and-health

VarenWolf
05-19-2015, 10:00 PM
@VarenWolf It would be hard to find someone that has not watched porn. Specially someone that got into their teens with internet in their home/phone lol. Porn is addicting as a drug. If you watched it and quit it, I respect you for it.



Well wish that could tell more people how to cause Its a matter of finding something that was more important to me cause watching it was a constant disappointment to myself and recently it urges some more but i found another thing that gives me something to work for.
however the Shcool system depending where are located are more helpful than others cause some schools just teach abstinence which is nothing that really is helpful. However the schools teach safe sex are the better schools in a sense but normally are the ones with a problem in the first place.

KFire
05-19-2015, 11:51 PM
Okay, let me debunk a few things spoken by you here,.

"Sex treats women as sexual objects and men as if they need to turn women into something to stick it in." Implies males like sex and women are the unfortunately are the only things they can have sex with BUT. Not true in the slightest. Women have sex more often than men, and have higher sex drives. That's why prostitution is highly composed of females.

http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/06/turns-out-women-have-really-really-strong-sex-drives-can-men-handle-it/276598/


I would have never said such thing. I was talking about porn. Women in porn are treated as sexual objects. Plz just edit and delete that part. I'll delete this part. I am going to edit my op for clarity, but it is on a list of things about porn. i am just gonna continue. Thanks tho. I would not have liked more people to be confused by that.

Just to clarify something. Prostitution is a business. It survives because it has demand. It is composed mostly for women because there is more demand for female prostitutes which means that the people who demand it are mostly male. This part contradicts your argument.



Next, "but it is socially unacceptable to have a real sex talk until they are 18." Not only is sex ed being taught at younger ages than ever before in schools. Parents are forced to teach young teens before 18 about sex. Because more teens are having sex. Its not exactly something I consider good but its almost a social normality at the rate the world is heading.


I think the morals of after 18 years go against human biology, but at the same time I am against the idea of older people taking advantage of teens. Anyhow, that is not the point. Even the all mighty Scuba who traveled the USA said that sex ed includes "the anatomy of the penis and vagina, STD's, safe sex, and pregnancy". That is like talking about art with mathematics or the smile of a child by just the position of his jaw. They need to hear it. It is something everybody should know, but it is not like sex is all anatomy and safe sex.



"I never had a sex ed class here so i am interested in what they teach. People in general start feeling curious about sexuality in their early 10s, but it is socially unacceptable to have a real sex talk until they are 18. That is how it seems. Most have several years where they are completely curious about sex, but are suppose to not talk, not hear, not show any thought related. As a result, two things happen.
-they engage in sexual experiences with little to know knowledge.
-they engage in sexual experiences with distorted and most times completely erroneous knowledge."

Well, no matter how much training you have and knowledge...your first time will always be your worst. Sex isn't really something that can be taught. It's a psychical activity, You learn by doing...and not sure if that's even a bad thing really. But its not like there isn't a huge amount of information online. I'm sure the new generation can be far more informed about sex, then the previous generations were.


"It's a psychical activity, You learn by doing" true. You need to practice. The good thing is that practicing it is fun :P

On the other hand, playing guitar is practice too. It does not matter how many books you read. Until you play for hours and hours and hours, you wont get good. I have played guitar for 7 years. I never really had a professor or saw any course in youtube (I did not have internet, so pretty much I saw no course whatsoever). Recently I started watching an awesome course in youtube, and i realize how many mistakes I had been carrying for 7 years. They were basic stuff, but now i have those bad habits and are really hard to correct. If i had just seen a professor when i was starting, I would be a god in the guitar now.

You need the right map to know that your steps are leading in the direction you want to go. You need to do it to learn how to do it, but having some information makes the journey way more enjoyable.

It is true that there are a lot of information, but most are trash. "10 steps to make a girl squirt" how about one step for closing this page.




-women and men in porn are acting. It is fake. Near 100% of porn actors are drugged in scene.

http://thoughtcatalog.com/bella-vendetta/2014/04/10-things-you-think-you-know-about-porn-which-are-actually-incorrect/ Untrue myth. A lot of porn is amateur porn with is literally a boy and his girlfriend having sex.


Did you read your link? Did you read the comments? Do you know that who said all that is a porn start likely just promoting her business?

I’ve never faked an orgasm on film.


Bitch please, most of your orgasms are faker than a 3 dollar bill. The worst thing a porn bitch can do is announce "OH MY FUCKING GOD I'M GONNA CUM"

That shit is so extremely corny


Porn sex IS actual real sex. There’s actual penetration.

I KNOW there is penetration. Are you trying to tell me that sex is just penetration? Is rape sex then?

If you think that just penetration is sex then we have very different definitions. There can be sex without penetration. And there can be penetration without sex.

I said near 100% of porn stars. I would not call a boyfriend and girlfriend being filmed with the camera of their phone "porn stars". And most of those amateurs are also faked. Some may do it for the thrill. A lot do it for the money.

Read this one http://www.covenanteyes.com/2008/10/29/ex-porn-star-tells-the-truth-part-2/


Drugs are a major, major problem in my business. Anyone who says otherwise is lying to you. I can’t tell you the number of girls who have disappeared and dropped out of the business because of their drug problems.

Now scroll to the comments and you will see a lot of comments


I have been in recovery from drugs and alc for 8 years but never was aware of the root of my drug and alc problem. These chemicles made it better….made the sex and porn addiction better, or so I believed. Never have I EXPERIENCED “CRAVING” like this. Not even when getting off the crack. The craving for sexual acting out has been constant. Over the 100 odd days of abstinance, it is subsiding. I am learning to talk myself down and out of the unhealthy thoughts that have haunted me since 12 years old

Dont just post links for posting. Some of them actually decrease your credibility unless you though I was not gonna check it.



As for the general feeling of porn and what it does? Even as someone who doesn't care about sex and has basically never watched porn in his life. Porn is harmless. And it can go far beyond what people can do in real life. As I lot of fetishes for most adults or teens. Can not be reasonable practiced. Porn just helps them relief tension.


Go watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU

Porn is not harmless. "(Porn) masturbation just helps them relief tension". I have nothing against masturbation. If someone is using his/her imagination.

And i am not against porn. I am against most porn. I am against 99% of the porn probably. I am gonna research and post names of porn directors who actually make porn that reflect sex.



Also sex can be a wonderful stress relief and can be healthy. So no, its not making teens have sex wrong. Or causing any real harm. Just my two cents on the issue.

http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/guide/sex-and-health

I really did not understand what you mean here. I know sex is good that link supports my claim and it is the only legit link you have provided.

KFire
05-20-2015, 12:22 AM
Well wish that could tell more people how to cause Its a matter of finding something that was more important to me cause watching it was a constant disappointment to myself and recently it urges some more but i found another thing that gives me something to work for.
however the Shcool system depending where are located are more helpful than others cause some schools just teach abstinence which is nothing that really is helpful. However the schools teach safe sex are the better schools in a sense but normally are the ones with a problem in the first place.

I think that working out is great to quit any addiction. It helps a lot to boost willpower. At least for me it works wonders

KingScuba
05-20-2015, 12:29 AM
And i am not against porn. I am against most porn. I am against 99% of the porn probably. I am gonna research and post names of porn directors who actually make porn that reflect sex.

Actually I think you're against about 30% of it at most :P

Also, I think what you're trying to describe as sex is the amount of emotional attachment linked in the act associated with the partner.

People have vastly different views on sex and it's purpose, which is influenced by their culture, upbringing, and even their ethnicity.

One man might see sex as only being a place to 'bury his head' and get a little satisfaction. Nothing particularly emotional about it. He just wants to get his rocks off.

another man might find it as being a very pure and honest act of intimacy between himself and his partner.

Then there's men who use sex as a religious act in an attempt to get closer to their god.

There's also another man who doesn't care about his partner, so long as she bears him offspring. In this case, it's the means to an end.

There's a myriad of sexual acts, and while they're all technically the same thing, they're vastly different from eachother.


back on to the subject at hand... I rather agree with an above statement. Sex is a physical act and there's really nothing to learn from it.



I think we need to define what you mean by "Sexual Education" before we move on.


As I stated earlier, every American receives a course on Sexual Education (Usually in middle school, and it varies on the school. I personally had 2 sex ed classes. Once when I was 10, and once when I was about 14. Both classes covered the same information.)

In this class, The teacher separates the boys from the girls. I can only assume the information is the same for both, while the women also get a little more in depth talk about their periods and boob development. (I could be wrong. Could be they get a talk about world domination and getting tips on how to TAKE OVER THE WORLD *yonk*.)

So again, we talk about a few things.

1) The physical anatomy of our body parts (Both males and females)
2) Safe Sex practices (Condoms, Day after pills, etc)
3) STDs and How to Identify them when possible (AIDS, Gonorrhea, Herpes, ETC)
4) Be comfortable with your body (They like to stress that everyone is different, so you should be happy with yourself)
5) Pregnancy and What will happen to you (Lots of negative consequences to help drill in the idea of safe sex)
6) Being emotionally prepared, and saying No if you don't want it.

So students will have a grasp of the basics of sex. But they're left wanting to know more about it because, well... To really learn about sex is to actually have sex.

VarenWolf
05-20-2015, 12:33 AM
I think that working out is great to quit any addiction. It helps a lot to boost willpower. At least for me it works wonders

Would be doing that but been out of weight room for over 8 months and don't want come back and face how far behind have gotten, cause in OT talk about how only been doing Exstensive calisthenics.

However Can't really put to much more in discussion besides that from amount of sports do practice makes perfect and judging its the same for sėx, however will only if truly love the person.

AllknowingWolf
05-20-2015, 01:21 AM
I would have never said such thing. I was talking about porn. Women in porn are treated as sexual objects. Plz just edit and delete that part. I'll delete this part. I am going to edit my op for clarity, but it is on a list of things about porn. i am just gonna continue. Thanks tho. I would not have liked more people to be confused by that.

Just to clarify something. Prostitution is a business. It survives because it has demand. It is composed mostly for women because there is more demand for female prostitutes which means that the people who demand it are mostly male. This part contradicts your argument.



I think the morals of after 18 years go against human biology, but at the same time I am against the idea of older people taking advantage of teens. Anyhow, that is not the point. Even the all mighty Scuba who traveled the USA said that sex ed includes "the anatomy of the penis and vagina, STD's, safe sex, and pregnancy". That is like talking about art with mathematics or the smile of a child by just the position of his jaw. They need to hear it. It is something everybody should know, but it is not like sex is all anatomy and safe sex.



"It's a psychical activity, You learn by doing" true. You need to practice. The good thing is that practicing it is fun :P

On the other hand, playing guitar is practice too. It does not matter how many books you read. Until you play for hours and hours and hours, you wont get good. I have played guitar for 7 years. I never really had a professor or saw any course in youtube (I did not have internet, so pretty much I saw no course whatsoever). Recently I started watching an awesome course in youtube, and i realize how many mistakes I had been carrying for 7 years. They were basic stuff, but now i have those bad habits and are really hard to correct. If i had just seen a professor when i was starting, I would be a god in the guitar now.

You need the right map to know that your steps are leading in the direction you want to go. You need to do it to learn how to do it, but having some information makes the journey way more enjoyable.

It is true that there are a lot of information, but most are trash. "10 steps to make a girl squirt" how about one step for closing this page.




Did you read your link? Did you read the comments? Do you know that who said all that is a porn start likely just promoting her business?

I KNOW there is penetration. Are you trying to tell me that sex is just penetration? Is rape sex then?

If you think that just penetration is sex then we have very different definitions. There can be sex without penetration. And there can be penetration without sex.

I said near 100% of porn stars. I would not call a boyfriend and girlfriend being filmed with the camera of their phone "porn stars". And most of those amateurs are also faked. Some may do it for the thrill. A lot do it for the money.

Read this one http://www.covenanteyes.com/2008/10/29/ex-porn-star-tells-the-truth-part-2/

Now scroll to the comments and you will see a lot of comments

Dont just post links for posting. Some of them actually decrease your credibility unless you though I was not gonna check it.

Go watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU

Porn is not harmless. "(Porn) masturbation just helps them relief tension". I have nothing against masturbation. If someone is using his/her imagination.

And i am not against porn. I am against most porn. I am against 99% of the porn probably. I am gonna research and post names of porn directors who actually make porn that reflect sex.

I really did not understand what you mean here. I know sex is good that link supports my claim and it is the only legit link you have provided.

I will do my best to counter or further explain my arguments. (and point out I know most of this because online friends are werid)
1. Okay, your still misleading facts. Men and women BOTH are sexual objects its PORN. Also not all porn has females in it. Your sayng porn is bad, and your against it because it seems to have a malicious intent for women. And it doesn't women porn actresses make a lot more money and are usually treated better in the businesses than their male counter parts.

My argument was women have higher sex drives. You admit they're dominant is prostitution. Contradicting how? And yes, its a business but my link shows women have higher sex drives, have sex more often and with more partners. I don't understand how porn isn't bad for women vs what I've said. Contradicting at all. Hell, women use PORN MORE!

http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/28/do-women-like-porn-as-much-as-men/

2 and 3. I will say, some school do not have sex-ed classes, and some things vary. But, I think we agreed then? Well, I will say comparing a guitar to sex is a bit silly, since no matter how much you play a guitar without a pick to protect your fingers, you won't have a baby. But I get the point, and basically is true. Also there are a lot more valuable places to learn on the internet then you think.

4. Okay, I'll just say, some porn is fake, but I think most people can figured that out googling something in 5 minutes. Some porn is legit. Does it matter if its real or fake, would that really change your opinions? Probably not, so moving on from that. Not even that important.

Did I read the comments? No because comments from random people are invalid and can be a variety of troll posting...the top comments seem to agree with the article...Those names of the people are scream 'troll'

And do you consider rape sex? Uh, well another term is sexual assault so...http://stephenlaw.blogspot.com/2009/05/is-rape-sex-act.html I'm pretty sure its legally consider sex related...What are you even implying? No, i don't think rape is good...and no porn isn't equivalent to rape...

5. On youtube video. Closed comment sections...Always great. Also looked up TED. They have a lot of backlash from people, they seem to basically polish and manufacture what's being said. Like even making the people 'pause' for effect. They also seem rather ban happy on certain topics and are very openly political leaning. I sort of get an off vibe from them personally.

6. You trying to imply my other links are invalid by the comment section, and saying you weren't saying something, so that makes the link wrong. Uh, no it just means I'm mistaken. And the comments section to call my credibility into account is a stretch don't ya think? Also what someone already said, you're against a lot smaller percentage or porn then you think you are.

So, porn leads people to having sex. Sex is good.
So porn is bad. Makes sense to me? While supposedly porn can be addicting. It DOES depend on the individual. And even without porn people would still look for sexual simulations. That's how humans are.

ImAeternalis
05-20-2015, 02:43 AM
lol porn

Anyway, I'm a fat ugly nerd who's never going to get laid. I've quit it before and it's not addicting to me, but tbh why not.

Sex ed in school i've gotten is basically them saying that you will always get an std lmao.

VoodooBae
05-20-2015, 05:57 AM
Why people are expected to get involved in sexual aspect of their personality actively at the age of 18 is that it is about the limit time they can successfully construct themselves as a fully grown human being. They can understand consequences of their choices, they can understand what it means to live in a society, what it is healthy for body and soul of their own and others. still that age may not be enough for people that lack proper self eduation and adequate affection,proper role models given to them by their family. Likewise an earlier age can be suitable for the same reasons.

Porn is a sad act for all those involved who are doing it for money. If you are recording it for your amusement with your partner it is just a choice. it is not possible to tell the difference for the viewer for most cases which is which. there is no way of knowing under what conditions these people are working for these videos. It is a good reason to avoid all porn for that reason. if you think about this, it is not possible to get addicted to such a thing if you have a healthy judgement system. you are watching a man who are trying to earn his food to take to family and employment system couldnt find a place for him and this is where he is now. entertaining you. using what he thinks he is only left with that makes money. his body. there is nothing sexy in it that can give me any sort of pleasure. it is just sad. educational? yes. it is educational in this regard. but to be able to think this way when you sit to watch a porn you should be able to have a larger world view.

hardly any pron producer thinks "lets educate people". you have to earn your own education knowing why such things exists. they are in a money making business in which they are aiming at the most basic desires of viewers to earn money. The more you have an accelerated urge to depend on there desires the better they earn. this is what they will focus on in these videos. it is a double way exploit. if you subsract human relation, love and intimacy that has to occur before a sexual intimacy, it is an accelerated act with hardly any meaning that has to human psyche in the long run. you cant grow out to be a better man without human relations. it becomes a random physical act that even puts veil to end purpose which is child birth. a very blessed thing indeed when done with the one you love. a life time porn viewer hardly can see sex that way. that aspect is completely erased. a very complicated aspect of human all together that can bring satisfactory life long joys through human interactions, conversations, caring, loving, is reduced to a five minute blur.

People can seek escape in no meaning.I understand that need. it can be right time after time. but only when you know why you are really doing and what it can cost. only then it is justified in my eye.

RippleApple
05-20-2015, 06:25 AM
As someone who knows an actual porn director, this thread is hilarious to me.

KFire
05-20-2015, 08:40 AM
@KingScuba
I think 30% is a very optimistic statistic. However, none of us has really any evidence. I am gonna research it a bit later. But it seems hard because the answer may be subjective.

I agree that sex is subjective to each person. However that definition makes me sad :(.

I knew about stds, pregnancy, safe sex, some anatomy, and i also had sex before i even decided on looking information about sex. I have learnt so much. I think not being open for learning more limits people a lot.

Pro tip for looking for information. Anything that talks about an specific technique or steps to do something you can dump it in the trash unless it is for something you are only going to do once.


@VarenWolf
I mostly just do calisthenics :P. It is more fun to me. I had like a year without doing anything cuz i injured my shoulder, and i just started last week. I am feeling great :P

VodooBae

The only thing i have against is the fact that human body wants sex a lot earlier than at 18 years. And that is why i find very important the need of some education.
i have seen what some porn stars say after they leave the industry and it is in fact sad.
it does not even need to be educational. Just with emphasizing somehow the connection between the couple. It does not have to be sweet. It can be hardcore porn and still give something more.I just feel that most porn are misleading and i am afraid people actually confuse it with sex.



As someone who knows an actual porn director, this thread is hilarious to me.
Do you find hilarious the part that more sex ed is needed or the part that porn is a really bad school?

Anyhow if you are going to comment, add something.

@allknowingwolf i though i had multiquote you bae. I have to go now,but dont think i have forgotten about you <3

VoodooBae
05-20-2015, 08:51 AM
@KingScuba
I think 30% is a very optimistic statistic. However, none of us has really any evidence. I am gonna research it a bit later. But it seems hard because the answer may be subjective.

I agree that sex is subjective to each person. However that definition makes me sad :(.

I knew about stds, pregnancy, safe sex, some anatomy, and i also had sex before i even decided on looking information about sex. I have learnt so much. I think not being open for learning more limits people a lot.

Pro tip for looking for information. Anything that talks about an specific technique or steps to do something you can dump it in the trash unless it is for something you are only going to do once.


@VarenWolf
I mostly just do calisthenics :P. It is more fun to me. I had like a year without doing anything cuz i injured my shoulder, and i just started last week. I am feeling great :P

VodooBae

The only thing i have against is the fact that human body wants sex a lot earlier than at 18 years. And that is why i find very important the need of some education.
i have seen what some porn stars say after they leave the industry and it is in fact sad.
it does not even need to be educational. Just with emphasizing somehow the connection between the couple. It does not have to be sweet. It can be hardcore porn and still give something more.I just feel that most porn are misleading and i am afraid people actually confuse it with sex.



Do you find hilarious the part that more sex ed is needed or the part that porn is a really bad school?

Anyhow if you are going to comment, add something.

@allknowingwolf i though i had multiquote you bae. I have to go now,but dont think i have forgotten about you <3

yes right.I didnt exactly say it cant be below age 18. it can happen in a healthy way earlier if the environment is supportive. but it is generally expected you wont have the tools and thought mechanisms to correctly adress or cope up with some issues before that age because you simply didnt have enough time to look into certain areas of yourself. Understanding yourself and human psychology, interactions with others and world around is great part of sex experience. you can have sex at any early age but later on after proper education you will probably understand it wasnt the experience that it should be. the thing is if you start before proper education of self and nothing follows in following years, you may end up thinking this is how it should go naturally.
On the other hand, I agree with most of your thoughts on the subject. Actually we can say all.other than that i wouldnt give names of porn directors. it is advertising nonetheless of a sector that i dont approve.

people will say "what is wrong with it if there is demand". people will demand things that are given to them as well even if it is ok or not for them to exists or for others.people are irrational in most cases. they just dont see what may be bad for someone is someday likely to be bad for them, directly for their kids or following generations.

Trubblegum
05-20-2015, 12:44 PM
Porn is just like the movie industry. People willingly participate in it (most of the time) and get paid for it. This society is obsessed with an action that was simply designed to create life from life. Not to bind people and bang their booty until they get tired.
Face it, in this society, sex sells.
To put it into perspective, a study was undertaken a few years back. Scientists set up a hamster's brain to stimulators, and whenever the hamster pressed button A, it would be fed, but when it pressed button B, the hamster would have an orgasm.

The hamster starved to death.

Life is a curious thing. It thinks for itself, and there are many things that can have adverse effects on the brain.

But our obsession with sex (37% of the internet being porn, "adult" stores everywhere, and the media's use of the idea of sex) is just... wrong, when you think about it.

Sex is, in itself, mating. Mating is two creatures procreating. Granted, I dont think that Sex (premarital or otherwise) should be outlawed, but when you look at it closely, our obsession with sex makes no sense.

Now, if you'll excuse me, this talking about porn and the base ideas of sex has made me hungry.
Edit: Dont get me wrong, I dont hate porn (in fact, well, you get the point), but when I think about it, looking at mating more than just a way to procreate or connect to another in a bond unfathomable by those unable to experience it... it sickens me. People take something as sacred as this for granted, and they dont even care (mostly because they're too busy whacking off).

RippleApple
05-20-2015, 01:45 PM
Do you find hilarious the part that more sex ed is needed or the part that porn is a really bad school?

Anyhow if you are going to comment, add something.

People share their opinions and talk about how wrong it is all the time, or how it's fine, and it's like, most of the time nobody knows anyone who works in the industry in these little talks.

According to that guy, the adult entertainment industry is filled with some of the nicest people you'd ever see. He also felt preggo pornography was some of the most morally reprehensible type of pornography. So both sides are kind of true; sometimes it does go too far, but it's not like all of the people who work in that industry are evil or anything.

Incidentally, he felt that piss drinkers and shit eaters were less morally reprehensible than preggo fetish actors. Mainly because the fetus is basically the star in that type of pornography, and the fetus didn't sign for being filmed.

Something people tend to forget is that we're all human beings here and we're all complex beings. It's not like most porn directors intend for their pornography to necessarily be educational even though they usually know some people who are underaged will view it without their consent. That's a meaning some people give to it, but like.

All in all I'm pretty thankful I got to ask him a few questions about that. It was a unique opportunity.

KFire
05-20-2015, 02:19 PM
@AllKnowingWolf

I agree with the part that both men and women are treated as sexual objects. It dehumanize them both. I'll edit that part. Thanks for the correction.

I never mention or argued which gender has more sex drive. That is something you brought up. Women do not prostitute because they want more sex lol. They do it because they want more money. They get money because men have demand for sex. That is why i think you contradict yourself, but anyways i never argued that or the opposite on the first place.


I liked my guitar metaphor :P


There is a lot of bad information, and that is the one that usually pops up for people click. There are a lot of reputable sites to get information. It is just a matter of knowing which one to see. A lot of sites, not necesarily with bad intentions, abuse of human love for shortcuts. I would never trust an article that talks about techniques or steps or any other controlled proccess. I read mostly about principles, mentalities, or habits. You cannot imagine how much trash information i swallowed before starting to apply this rule.


The scenes in porn are based on what will look good for the camera and not what feels good, yet you see people having the time of their lifes. That alone is enough for me to feel like it is something that young people should be careful. Watching the reaction of the pornstars there the young person would think that that technique is the best in the world. Maybe an adult would know already that it is a show, but someone with little to none experience would be doing those mistakes until someone tells them otherwise. Some errors are easy to correct but habits are really hard to change.

As scuba said we have different definitions of sex. What happens in porn is not sex for me just because there is intercourse. I got heated with rape :P. For me two people masturbating in front of each other may be sex while two people penetrating and having fake orgasms is not.


the ted video in ted''s website has comments. I watched it there originaly. I think i have only seem them with the banning policy in political controversies. Something that is going to be presented there needs to have some standards. I woult trust a video there more than a random video in youtube.


I Ignored your first link because you confused my words. All your first part was never meant to be. I edited my op for clarity in that part, but i never though there was a necesity of discussing that. Your second link was a current working pornstar talking about her business. I think she may be a bit bias. "Never faked an orgasm on set" i dont think i can believe that. They need to film multiple times scenes and be "working for some hours at a time. Even then she has never faked. I dont think she is credible. Your last link was about benefits of sex. I really dont think there are a lot of bad things about sex.

Something that gives or takes a lot of credability from an argument are sources. If someone uses incorrect, bias, outdated, etc sources, i would think that their argument is based on incorrect or just not strong enough grounds. Then definetly i would question the veracity of their argument and their credability cuz i would think that next time they will use bad sources. It does not matter how smart you are. If you base your argument in erroneous sources, your argument will be wrong at the end.

I dont follow the idea of porn leads to having sex. There is no need to porn for people to have sex. Furthermore, porn mostly desfigures the idea of sex.

VoodooBae
05-20-2015, 02:36 PM
Women do not prostitute because they want more sex lol. They do it because they want more money.

can you elaborate on this?


1.I agree with the part that both men and women are treated as sexual objects

yes they are both. unless you are woman or unles you have a partner that you know closely that share her thoughts with you about all things and sex as well, you can only then better undertand why it is more of a being object thing for women. untill then you all have to wait and keep living in a dream world.


Porn is just like the movie industry. People willingly participate in it (most of the time) and get paid for it. This society is obsessed with an action that was simply designed to create life from life. ).


movie industry and porn industry has one thing in common. they use cameras.
movies give people diffrent perspectives on what is human, what is this life all about, sometimes it takes years to prepare a movie the right way because director is that very careful to give the right message..respects that much to his work and to his viewers. also when you are movie star your child in the school can say to his friends that his father is a movie star and doesnt lia about it.

AllknowingWolf
05-20-2015, 03:28 PM
@AllKnowingWolf

I agree with the part that both men and women are treated as sexual objects. It dehumanize them both. I'll edit that part. Thanks for the correction.

I never mention or argued which gender has more sex drive. That is something you brought up. Women do not prostitute because they want more sex lol. They do it because they want more money. They get money because men have demand for sex. That is why i think you contradict yourself, but anyways i never argued that or the opposite on the first place.


I liked my guitar metaphor :P


There is a lot of bad information, and that is the one that usually pops up for people click. There are a lot of reputable sites to get information. It is just a matter of knowing which one to see. A lot of sites, not necesarily with bad intentions, abuse of human love for shortcuts. I would never trust an article that talks about techniques or steps or any other controlled proccess. I read mostly about principles, mentalities, or habits. You cannot imagine how much trash information i swallowed before starting to apply this rule.


The scenes in porn are based on what will look good for the camera and not what feels good, yet you see people having the time of their lifes. That alone is enough for me to feel like it is something that young people should be careful. Watching the reaction of the pornstars there the young person would think that that technique is the best in the world. Maybe an adult would know already that it is a show, but someone with little to none experience would be doing those mistakes until someone tells them otherwise. Some errors are easy to correct but habits are really hard to change.

As scuba said we have different definitions of sex. What happens in porn is not sex for me just because there is intercourse. I got heated with rape :P. For me two people masturbating in front of each other may be sex while two people penetrating and having fake orgasms is not.


the ted video in ted''s website has comments. I watched it there originaly. I think i have only seem them with the banning policy in political controversies. Something that is going to be presented there needs to have some standards. I woult trust a video there more than a random video in youtube.


I Ignored your first link because you confused my words. All your first part was never meant to be. I edited my op for clarity in that part, but i never though there was a necesity of discussing that. Your second link was a current working pornstar talking about her business. I think she may be a bit bias. "Never faked an orgasm on set" i dont think i can believe that. They need to film multiple times scenes and be "working for some hours at a time. Even then she has never faked. I dont think she is credible. Your last link was about benefits of sex. I really dont think there are a lot of bad things about sex.

Something that gives or takes a lot of credability from an argument are sources. If someone uses incorrect, bias, outdated, etc sources, i would think that their argument is based on incorrect or just not strong enough grounds. Then definetly i would question the veracity of their argument and their credability cuz i would think that next time they will use bad sources. It does not matter how smart you are. If you base your argument in erroneous sources, your argument will be wrong at the end.

I dont follow the idea of porn leads to having sex. There is no need to porn for people to have sex. Furthermore, porn mostly desfigures the idea of sex.

1. While I suppose I can even argue some would say, embracing one sexuality shows you in control of yourself. And I have a feeling some people LIKE having sex. Even actors,could like the porn acting. Also there's a fetish entirely for being 'dehumanized'. So what you might watch awful the women in the porn may love it. But I suppose the difference is, is it wrong that people are willing getting paid/or willing filming themselves acting like fools? I don't think it hurts the people in the porn whatsoever. But if you argue, how people look at porn will effect how they behave in the bedroom with their partner. Fine. Also I believe you implied it heavily when you were dishing out porn hurts females. Mentioning females use porn more, and benefit from it more then men only made a strong case against it hurting women.

3. I guess the only point to bring up is. People choose their own education on matters their is equal good and bad information. Its no ones fault but the user of the information in the end. I can't exactly list good sites to teach people ways to have sex and etc. So I'll leave it on that note

4. Even if your 100% correct and neither of them are enjoy themselves even if they're penetration, I guess you could call porn bad sex...but people are both aware of it and allowing it to happen. So not rape, glad you know that's not the case whatsoever. It's what the dictionary would probably define sex as. I think two people having sex in real life would change positions fast, if both weren't enjoying it. So I define this more as harmless really. I suppose I just have more faith in the youth. That I cant imagine them reenacting a fake impossible to do porn, hating it and one of them going. "But this is how the porn went lets keep at it!" But that's just me.

5. The also apparently ban food related things and stopped someone scheduled to speak because they were gonna discuss it. I mean I suppose MOST things like that have political leaning, but was kind of weird to look at. Your whole paragragh on, outdated/bias sources. TED seems pretty openly bias. So I guess that's all that needs to be said.

6. I suppose you could be correct about the one link of her having bias in it. So I will correct myself there. But I will say, if you agree that sex is healthy, why would something making people have sex be a bad thing? Well I mean if you don't think porn makes people have sex. What the hell is it making people addicted to? If, no one has sex after watching porn, why is it bad for the youth? I think that actually contradicts your statements a bit. I mean yes, you can have sex without it. But some people say older folks need visual aid sometimes. I guess the idea of banning porn. Would do more harm then good.

And I suppose I will validate any extra information you didn't discuss. To open new discussion as that is the whole point of serious discussion I can bring up new topics, someone wasn't discussing. That does not weaken any thing I'm currently saying, just widening the net so to speak.

KFire
05-20-2015, 08:30 PM
@RippleApple
I only have my experience as a customer and information that i have read. I have never intended to bash people that work in that industry. I just think they do what they do because it sells not because they are evil. My main point it is how bad it is to represent sex. How teens are going to watch it for sure. How their views in sex are going to get distorted by porn. It would be a lot less harmful if they were properly educated before they decide to explore by themselves.

It would be interesting to talk with someone inside the porn industry.


can you elaborate on this?

That is just what i find logic @Bae. I haven't done any study about it.

I don't think a woman will go into prostitution just for sex unless she has something special for that (which I dont mind, but i dont think that group is really big). There are a lot of more morally correct, and at least in the United States(besides Nevada) legal ways for a woman to get sex.

I think they go into prostitution because they either see it as an easy way to get money or they need the money and find prostitution a way to get it. I mostly think women get into prostitution for economic reasons whatever they are.

And a quick google search backed up that point.


@AllknowingWolf
Some things. You are welcome to bring any information you want. The reason why i ignored it is because you were directly replying to a portion of my op that you have misinterpreted mostly due to my bad wording, and i corrected it.

I always saw ted as a reputable source. I may research them closely now. However, the video I posted from there is quite good. I watch way to many videos in there.

Your number 4 is something i really want to address.

Look at something like this


Approximately 80 percent of all 10-year-old girls have dieted at least once in their lives, according to recent data released by the Keep It Real campaign.

It is widely spoken how media view on perfect women and men affect the self stem of people in general.

Porn is more graphic and is going to affect their minds more deeply. Teenager brains are in development. It would be different about older folks. Not to say that they wont be affected, but to a lot lower degree.

Whether problems with the look are more easily to recognize and are easier to discuss, bedroom problems caused by porn will most likely fall into silence. While some my enjoy the dehumanizing thing, I bet that if a 13 year old watch it, he/she is going to be affected somehow. This is a fairly new topic, because it is just relatively recently that we can even watch porn in our phones.

Like could it get easier to watch porn. It will lol

AllknowingWolf
05-22-2015, 05:03 PM
Some things. You are welcome to bring any information you want. The reason why i ignored it is because you were directly replying to a portion of my op that you have misinterpreted mostly due to my bad wording, and i corrected it.

I always saw ted as a reputable source. I may research them closely now. However, the video I posted from there is quite good. I watch way to many videos in there.

Your number 4 is something i really want to address.

Look at something like this

It is widely spoken how media view on perfect women and men affect the self stem of people in general.

Porn is more graphic and is going to affect their minds more deeply. Teenager brains are in development. It would be different about older folks. Not to say that they wont be affected, but to a lot lower degree.

Whether problems with the look are more easily to recognize and are easier to discuss, bedroom problems caused by porn will most likely fall into silence. While some my enjoy the dehumanizing thing, I bet that if a 13 year old watch it, he/she is going to be affected somehow. This is a fairly new topic, because it is just relatively recently that we can even watch porn in our phones.

Like could it get easier to watch porn. It will lol

I suppose this could almost be an argument of, Is it the fault of the product or the individual? And usually the individual is that should be blamed. But never is. And yes, the media is very influential. And the media has had a long showing of hating the very concept of porn and usually uses it to show how evil people are. So I guess you don't have to worry about that. Here's the thing, if one is a parent trying to stop the young ones from being corrupted by porn, They should be better parents...I hate the idea of blaming a product millions use, without any ill effects. For the 'think about the children' excuse, prevalent in the media blame game. It is entirely possible to stop your teenager from watching porn. It is the parents responsibility. Porn is meant for adults. Movie stores force you to give an ID. Porn has never advertised to kids that I know of, like say, cigarettes indeed have.

Adr1anP3laj
05-22-2015, 05:55 PM
Teens can also learn about sex on youtube, I do believe this video fits the topic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_MJbgO7SF0





.. I'm so sorry.

Jezereal
05-22-2015, 08:23 PM
Oh, where to start. So many places I could start.

1 First of all, I'd like to thank most of you people, for actually thinking through your arguments and debates, its wonderful to read through. You have well thought out discussions and large posts. (I'm an avid reader.)
2 Second I'd like to relate to some facts. First of all, Porn is NOT the only Sex-Ed for teens just the most prevalent by far.
3rd I'd like to clarify some things in other posts I have come across.



Ok #2, We have all watched porn, statistically speaking it's near impossible not to see anything related to porn. It's all based off of the definition. This should have been taken care of by the OP by for some reason I didn't find it. DEFINE porn. YOUR original definition is what will be used/discussed. Otherwise were going to have this issue come up later.
I can't further many other of my points without a working definition from OP, or a agreed upon definition. Once this has been established... Expect this post to reach max limit for characters.

As for #3. I have seen some posts, this one in particular comes to mind...

I don't think a woman will go into prostitution just for sex unless she has something special for that (which I dont mind, but i dont think that group is really big). There are a lot of more morally correct, and at least in the United States(besides Nevada) legal ways for a woman to get sex.

I think they go into prostitution because they either see it as an easy way to get money or they need the money and find prostitution a way to get it. I mostly think women get into prostitution for economic reasons whatever they are.
It really is a bit of both. They do it for money, but that doesn't mean they can't enjoy it. Which is what you implied when you posted.
Women do not prostitute because they want more sex lol. They do it because they want more money.

Spot reserved for 'Fantasy and Fetish' edit. (After OP clarifies a working definition of Porn.)
@Ripple apple. You aren't OP atm. Your definition is irrelevant for the purpose of this thread, OP asked question, OP needs to clarify part of question.

RippleApple
05-22-2015, 08:26 PM
The definition of porn is like the definition of lewd. You'll know it when you see it.

KFire
05-23-2015, 12:40 PM
Ok #2, We have all watched porn, statistically speaking it's near impossible not to see anything related to porn. It's all based off of the definition. This should have been taken care of by the OP by for some reason I didn't find it. DEFINE porn. YOUR original definition is what will be used/discussed. Otherwise were going to have this issue come up later.
I can't further many other of my points without a working definition from OP, or a agreed upon definition. Once this has been established... Expect this post to reach max limit for characters.

I can put some dictionary definitions :P, but i find it difficult to find a definitions that we all can agree. I'll try tho :P. I dont want to stop you from reaching max characters


It really is a bit of both. They do it for money, but that doesn't mean they can't enjoy it. Which is what you implied when you posted.

I did not mean that they cannot enjoy it. Also, I am sure some women prostitute because they like it or just for curiosity. However, what i say is that the main reason why most women become prostitutes is because of money.




First of all, Porn is NOT the only Sex-Ed for teens just the most prevalent by far.

And this is an issue. I dont expect them to learn about STDs and safe sex from porn, but at the same time, they wont learn about sex in a sex ed class.

AllknowingWolf
05-30-2015, 12:10 AM
So in general, editing nearly everything the original thing said. Its not 'negative to women'. Or the only sex ed for teens, and nearly all schools teach sex-ed. And parents talk to their children. So its not even the most prominent. It, promotes sex. What else can it do? And you believe sex is good. And actually with your abortion beliefs. I don't even know what the hell you could have against porn...If it increases teen pregnancy for instance, apparently that's barely even a problem. Trust me, most porn stars and people getting paid for sex. 99% are enjoying it. As I said already on average women like porn more, use porn more, have sex more and with more partners and more times. And get paid more, than their male counterparts.

Oh, and gaming wise look at google playlist store see how many male dating sims there are in comparison to female. Women actually play THOSE more and enjoy them just as much. That what someone else meant by your definition of porn. There is further territory there. Such as movies with sex scenes, would a horror movie or a comedy with a sex scene be porn?

RippleApple
05-30-2015, 06:10 AM
Oh, and gaming wise look at google playlist store see how many male dating sims there are in comparison to female. Women actually play THOSE more and enjoy them just as much. That what someone else meant by your definition of porn. There is further territory there. Such as movies with sex scenes, would a horror movie or a comedy with a sex scene be porn?

But... I like dating sims. :/

AllknowingWolf
05-30-2015, 09:34 AM
But... I like dating sims. :/

Don't worry, my roommate does now too...Bought him huniepop on steam. He played it the whole night. XP I will admit some of the dialogue of that game is f***king hilarious. There's nothing wrong with liking dating sims. or porn. If your an adult, I believe you have the right to act like one. I guess its an opinion. But I don't think 'think of the children' has ever been a viable excuse.

IXBlackWolfXI
06-05-2015, 02:28 AM
Actually... no. not really.

It comes down to where you live in america for starters. America, unlike anywhere else in the world, is a massive culture hotspot. EVERYONE is here. which means we have every single belief, every single point of view, and every single good and bad associated there.

Just to give you an idea, I've lived in 13 different states across the USA. Here are a few of the different 'overall personalities' of the cities.

When I was up in washington, people were not friendly to their neighbors. We had a relationship that went as far as "if something is fubar in your yard, we'll tell you about it".

When I moved to a small town in Texas, the entire block welcomed us. We literally received a welcome basket (including pie, cookies, and bug spray (best thing in the basket we came to find out.))

We were culture shocked when we moved to Louisiana, simply by how people chose to dress and speak in public. Most people tended to be outright hostile, in fact.

We have people who don't care about sex all the way to people who scream "you're going to hell for masturbating", and everything in between.

Sex ed in school happens around the time you're 11 (iirc). The parents sign a waver allowing the teacher to teach them about Sexual Education. What we learn in there is pretty simple. We learn about the anatomy of the penis and vagina, STD's, safe sex, and pregnancy. Nothing more, nothing less.

Furthermore, the parents will also usually sit the kids down and have the sex talk around their teenage years. This usually involves the parent giving the child anti pregnancy devices, and urging them to be safe (Condoms, day after pills, etc). Teenagers are going to have sex (I lost my virginity when I was 10, myself. WAY earlier than normal.), and the only thing you can do is tell them to be safe about it, and hope they listen.

It's not proper here to talk about what happens between the sheets in public. In private, you'll find most young males (Below the age of 30) talking about their last shag. I find quite a few women are open to discussing their sexual habits here too. But again, that's between friends in private.

Most people don't really look to porn for teaching us how to do sex (not to mention porn is a terrible teacher... not to mention most common porn is god awful. I've never had a girl who did that whole "OH. OH. OHHHH' bs. What I have had is Deep breathing, laughing, or a subtle grunt when I hit the right spot, etc...

By the way. There's many aspects to porn. The one you're talking about is aimed only at young males who are straight.

There's a myriad of porn styles out there, aimed at a very wide variety of people in every age group and every fetish possible. It's a huge industry, but most people who look at porn only think of what you're talking about.

I also grew up in the United States, in a back-water crumbling city in North Carolina.

My parents never talked to me about sex, and I've never even had sex (despite being 28 years old). I find it shocking when ppl claim they lost their virginity before they were legal age. None of my friends did until they were 18, and even then most didn't until they were married. And we were goths, and highly liberal at that. I actually had a female friend who would make sexual jokes, several of the other females were openly bi. Hell, two of them went to prom together (though honestly, they did that primarily bc they thought it would be funny). As for the males, we had one who was bi (though he didn't go to our school, he had graduated before I became a goth), and I think another one confessed that he was bi, though he seemed ashamed of it.

All my education has been through porn, hell if it wasn't for porn I wouldn't even know what sex was! Heck, when I was in middle school, when people would mention 'sex', I thought they meant 'making out'!

I know full well now what you see in those videos is ludicrously unrealistic, but I didn't for the longest time. Though in my case, I never liked hardcore stuff (to me, it just looks boring and kinda gross), I've only ever liked softcore stuff. Some people have told me I'm essentially asexual, though I find it hard to identify as such considering how perverted I am.

I did have one sex-ed class, but all it talked about was what happens to you when you go through puberty. I never had the second one, I didn't go to the right room, so instead of sending me to the right one, they had me (and other students who were sent to the wrong room) sit in the computer room the entire time. I have no idea what they taught in there.

I grew up in a Christian family (though I'm not christian anymore). I was raised to believe that sex was literally evil in any shape or form. A lot of the females in my school thought I was a sexual predator, even though I did nothing wrong. I didn't know how to actually set up a relationship in middle school, so I did a lot of stupid things and everyone wouldn't have anything to do with me afterwards, even though technically I did nothing wrong. Note, I've never had a girlfriend in my life. Only ever took interest in 2 in high school, and I haven't really bothered to try since. I don't see it as serving any practical purpose. I actually intend to remain single my whole life. I don't want a wife, or kids. I want to devote my life to linguistics and writing, and for that I need as much free time as I can get.

I always assumed that my views on sex were normal. Everyone I ever met thought it was evil, with the exception of my goth friends (the bi girls I mentioned were neo-pagans btw, the bi guy I mentioned was a devil worshipper). And even they weren't exactly promiscuous. I actually remember hearing about some controversy about underage teens having sex in the late nineties, and that was clearly viewed as deviant and illegal. In the US, you don't actually have the right to consent until you're 18. Before that, anyone having sex with you would be charged with statuatory rape (I think only males can be charged with this though).

I don't even know what people mean by 'healthy sexuality', to me it just looks like an excuse to be immature and hedonistic. And I do know that a lot of teenagers ARE looking at porn to learn about sex, and I don't like that idea since obviously what you see in it is NOT realistic, and honestly its quite misogynistic too. Oh, and really the only way to be viewed as sex-hating in this country is to dress like a muslim (muslims tend to be perceived as overly modest in dress). Note that when I was a teenager, tops that showed your mid-riff and short shorts were the norm. I actually recall seeing a black girl come to school in a bikini top. We even had one girl come to school in a thong (and by that I mean she came to school with her rear end exposed). After that incident, they decided to enforce a dress code, which pretty much banned all the clothing items banned at the time. Hell, they were constantly harrassing us goths over our clothes, even though we were probably the most modest students in the school. I mean, some of my friends wore these really oversized bell-bottoms (I graduated high school in 2005, believe it or not). They were mostly harrassing us over our trench coats and spikes and such. I really wish I owned a trench coat back then, of course my parents wouldn't even let me dye my hair black (I'm bald now btw, lucky me).

So yeah, that's my experience growing up in this country. Note that I've rarely left this area of the country. The furthest I've ever gone was cherokee (and that was only one time, on a field trip). I rarely even visit other cities, so most of my life has been within this county.

xXZanza
06-07-2015, 04:54 PM
I was very familiar with sex since i can remember things. 3 Years Of Age. I even knew what homosexual (gay) and so on meant. And i identified myself as Gay. Not to mention since i was an innocent (not totally) kid i had over the edge sexual urges... And fantasies as well. Back in school we didnt get sex ed until around 6grade. And there they showed how a penis gets erect. How it looks like while it is standing up... And they did it with a real dick that was recorded for so.... I didnt find it weird, but i was actually the one who noticed it was an actual penis... Lol

KFire
06-09-2015, 12:39 PM
I found this in the book i am reading



Thank heaven for Viagra! What a wonderful vitamin. My actors couldn’t keep up without it. Have you taken yours today?
I’m sure you’ve got talent, but you can put it back in your pants. I’m not here to audition. The author of the Guide To Getting It On asked me to stop by to have a little talk. He’s not one of those anti-porn fanatics who thinks that porn is worse than warts on your anus. So I agreed to offer some perspective from an insider’s POV.
For starters, nobody in Pornland ever dreamed so many people would take porn seriously. I mean, look at my titties! Look at my waist! My lips are purrrrfect! How many women really look like me?
And nobody in Pornland ever thought porn would be used as sex education. Although given the lack of alternatives when it comes to sex education, I do get it. Porn may be over the top, but at least it doesn’t try to make you feel bad for wanting to do what every cell in your body is telling you to do.
Here’s the problem: it’s not like those of us in Pornland are here because we’re the best at making love. We may be the biggest and we may last the longest, but we’re not the best. We’re really good at one thing: getting our freak on for the camera. But that’s not making love.
Seriously, have you ever seen any of us kiss for half an hour? Have you ever seen any of us give each other massages or laugh and tease each other? None of that works for the camera. Imagine needing inspiration for stroking and landing on a website where couples do nothing but kiss?
Pornland isn’t like real life. We just pretend it is. There are no B-cup breasts or five-inch penises in Pornland. They’re forbidden. We’re all an exaggeration. We’re here to sell you on porn. We want you to be as excited about porn as a cat in a tuna factory. But none of what we do is about making love. It’s about getting you to stroke yourself when you are in front of a flat screen. And to want to do it again tomorrow.
When’s the last time you sat staring with your face two feet away from the crotches of people who were having sex? When’s the last time you made love to someone whose coochie had special makeup on it and a 400 watt spotlight shining between her legs? You haven’t, because people don’t do that. But it’s what we do in Pornland. We’re an amusement park of excess. We exaggerate everything. We have to. How else could a two-dimensional image on a computer or phone get you to stick your hand in your pants?
To make you want to stroke yourself, I have to hire actresses who can convince you that they’re having orgasms when a stranger with a penis the size of a Pringle’s can is pounding them in ways that would cause most women pain. I have to hire actresses who won’t throw up when I tell them to suck on an unwashed penis that’s just been up their rear end. I have to hire actresses who don’t mind being thrown around like rag dolls and can have sex in positions that would make Houdini cry uncle.
I have to hire actresses who will do things that cam girls and prostitutes won’t. And if a woman you are paying to have sex with won’t do it, you can be pretty sure your wife or girlfriend won’t do it either.
There’s a lot of sex here in Pornland, but there aren’t many real orgasms for the actresses. That’s not why they’re here. Their job is make you stroke it. For a lot of these girls, it’s their fifteen minutes of fame. It’s about them getting to feel good about themselves because you’re at home masturbating to them.
I understand that not all porn is from Pornland. There’s a lot of amateur and homemade porn that people post online. But guess what? If their homemade porn doesn’t look like what we produce in Pornland, you aren’t going to watch it. You’re not going to put up with some guy giving a woman oral sex for a half an hour while she’s laying there looking like she took a handful of tranquilizers. Who cares if he’s rocking her world? It doesn’t matter unless the camera can make it look like he’s rocking her world. And that would mean she would be in a position that isn’t comfortable and he wouldn’t really be giving her oral sex because we don’t do that in Pornland. It blocks the camera’s view of her goodies.
Even if all you’re doing is watching the free tours, Pornland is making money. So it’s in our interest to create the kind of visual feast that you can’t resist. We don’t care if it has nothing to do with sex in real life. That’s not why we’re here. We’re here to excite you without asking a single thing of you. Good luck making that work in real life!
If you watch porn occasionally, we like you. But if you watch it a lot, we own you. That happens often enough to make us a couple of billion dollars each year. And that’s what we’re mostly about. We’re not about making love and we’re not about sex with a real-life partner. We don’t care about that.
Ta ta!

KFire
06-10-2015, 09:09 PM
I just saw this, and it is great and hilarious.
She is a teacher in a class of the future acting like people of today's day.
Some lines.

Also consider that the age when all girls in that society first became exposed to sexualized images of women was quite a bit earlier, right? This was a doll called Barbie, right? I initially thought she was an educational tool for anorexia prevention -- (Laughter) -- but actually she was considered by many to be a wholesome symbol of femininity, and often young girls began what was called dieting. Remember this? This was restricting food intake on purpose by the age of six, and defining themselves based on attractiveness by around that same time. Right?


Yes. Valerie, right? Okay, very good. Of course, men were having sex as well, but you'll remember from the reading, what were male sluts called? Very good, they were called men.

http://www.ted.com/talks/sarah_jones_one_woman_five_characters_and_a_sex_le sson_from_the_future#t-1508446

EmmaMye
08-04-2015, 04:35 PM
To the OP.

Where I'm from we barely get any Sex Ed. apart from our teachers telling us about how to protect ourselves which, don't get me wrong, is not a bad thing, but it simply doesn't cut it for the curious youth that I find myself being a part of. In my country we can have legal sex at 16 (Used to be 15, but it was put up), and we know virtually nothing about it except from the porn and it is bothersome. It's even more problematic when there's a lack of male or female genitals in your family e.g. one has no father and brothers. It's not like guys flaunt their junk for curious youngsters to see, so yes, it's a problem in some places. There's Sex Ed. but not the one we need to know about.

DynamicMoves
08-05-2015, 12:17 PM
This thread is a roller coaster.

Just my experiences here, I've had sex ed since 5th grade through 12th. My father set me down and we had a bit of a chat. Various family members have made sure I had knowledge of the subject.
These things are a primer, they teach basic anatomy, birth control, and beat a fear of pregnancy and STDs into impressionable minds. The rest is experience.

Figuring out sex when I was 17.
Going through pregnancy scares.
Getting tested for STDs.
Experimenting with fetishes.

All these things take a lot of research, and because I'm a math guy, a lot of number crunching.
"If Birth Control is roughly 97% effective, and a condom is ~70 on average, what is the chance of pregnancy?" (9/1000)
"How do I tie somebody up without cutting off circulation?" (Modified bowline is one way)
"What exactly is HPV and is it curable or treatable? What are the chances I have it? How serious is it?" (Warts, and the rest of the answers make a long paragraph)



Oh and masturbation hasn't given me hairy palms and made me go blind yet.
It's not going to.

SplishySplashy
08-07-2015, 06:35 PM
Our sexual education comprised of learning about sperm. The penis and the vagina, and what happens when they start vaginal sex. They shown us sex toys (o.o) Contraception, and what is abuse sex (rape) etc.

In my opinon, the UK has a decent sex education.

I won't deny it. I used to watch Porn, and to learn. But, eww. What's attractive of 2 people fake moaning?