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Dmantakae
06-24-2016, 02:01 AM
Brexit won the vote - UK votes to leave the EU

BBC link - http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36615028

Thoughts?

Edit by KingScuba

Great Video of Thunderf00t and Sargon of Akkad debating this issue : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx9pCbhcrHw

RippleApple
06-24-2016, 02:38 AM
Useful as a bargaining chip. Really bad to actually do.

It creates instability which means short-term economic uncertainty, layoffs, nobody hiring and rising levels of poverty.

Then in the long-term, it creates even more economic uncertainty due to not being backed and guaranteed by a larger organization.

I've learned a bit from both sides over this, but from what I've seen about trading unions in the past, leaving them tends to be bad news to the world at large.

Democracy doesn't work.

Shaman
06-24-2016, 04:20 AM
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Goobis
06-24-2016, 10:39 AM
Welp, we are fucked come November.

My poor EU furs. :c

amelixo
06-24-2016, 12:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA3XTYfzd1I

help

Glances
06-24-2016, 01:54 PM
The fact that the population of UK was so divisive over the issue is quite alarming, and should be alarming to the future Brexit government. At least they're able to make their own decisions without Brussels trying to force more EU down their throats regardless of opposition.

Dmantakae
06-24-2016, 03:37 PM
I find it really amazing that the pound has already dropped so significantly. Scotland will most likely leave the UK.

Shaman
06-24-2016, 05:07 PM
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13501904_10154505160826412_7917758678104467467_n.j pg?oh=9afa19cb3fa8a68090074ee93674d8a8&oe=580C6BC4

amelixo
06-24-2016, 06:09 PM
http://indy100.independent.co.uk/image/26809-y2fhz2.png

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/image/26809-1qiywem.png

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/image/26809-1i5ltll.png

What's so scary about this is how dramatic the statistics differentiate across the age groups, there's an evident disregard to the youths of the UK from older generations.
It's a scary time to be a youth in the UK, we've just lost the right to live and work in 27 other countries. I have friends whose lives have basically been completely torn apart by this, with careers and future careers relying on being a part of the eu. The majority of our older generations have basically fucked us over, primarily due to reasons that make me nauseous; xenophobia and racism.

At this moment in time I am ashamed to be British.

RippleApple
06-24-2016, 06:10 PM
Don't worry. The baby boomer generation will die eventually. Then maybe we can get the world back on track.

Dmantakae
06-24-2016, 06:53 PM
@Amelixo, Yes - the older generation mainly voted to leave, but what was the turnout of young people (18-34)? If it was a low turnout then young people are equally to blame.

Agent2090
06-24-2016, 09:11 PM
Don't worry. The baby boomer generation will die eventually. Then maybe we can get the world back on track.

Heh, if what I see on college and university campuses is any indication, I would hope that the older generations stay while the newer ones die out. Of course, that's impossible.

Aurasai
06-25-2016, 04:37 AM
The trade sanctions that were enforced by Brussels with Russia, have made many countries lose millions if not billions of euro. They have actively sabotaged potential trade deals (like the Southern Gas stream project Russia had with Bulgaria), resulting in not only potential losses, but higher prices. I don't know about the Eurozone, but with the countries of the Balkans, the EU has brought a lot more harm then good. Then there is the TTIP that the EU keeps on trying to enforce on everyone (this deserves a separate thread) and the fact that the external debt percentage of GDP that countries in Eurozone have, makes the US external debt seem trivial. And I should not start on how much the standards of food quality and natural produce have degraded here since we entered the EU.

Traveling without visas across the continent you live in, is nice and all, but you shouldn't need to be part of a trade union for that.

RippleApple
06-25-2016, 05:25 AM
Heh, if what I see on college and university campuses is any indication, I would hope that the older generations stay while the newer ones die out. Of course, that's impossible.

The baby boomers are worse.

We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.

Unlike any generation before them, baby boomers, instead of passing the torch down, are trying to desperately hold onto the torch as long as possible, even if it hurts the entire world.

KingScuba
06-25-2016, 06:15 AM
We just need to wait and see.

My biggest fear is that with the exit of the UK from the EU, we're going to see the EU crash and burn, which will probably lead to a stock market crash, spinning the entire western world into ANOTHER recession.

The way the EU works is by funneling funds from a more successful region to a less successful region in order to improve the region and make them economically successful. Britain was one of the 4 biggest contributors to the EU. Sadly, the EURO fucked most of Europe thanks to Brussels having pretty crappy legislation.

HerrRanma
06-26-2016, 04:57 PM
The way the EU works is by funneling funds from a more successful region to a less successful region in order to improve the region and make them economically successful. Britain was one of the 4 biggest contributors to the EU. Sadly, the EURO fucked most of Europe thanks to Brussels having pretty crappy legislation.

And some people are wondering WHY Britain wanted out? If I lived in a neighborhood where I was forced to give my money to others, I'd want out too. Why the heck should Britain care about other countries' economic complications? Why should they put THEIR money towards other countries' troubles. Britain should only care about countries they trade with.


Look, the EU wants to play this "politically correct" game and Britain is just making what moves they can. Hey readers, just go google "muslim rape gangs" and you're going to get article after article about events happening in Britain. It is NOT politically correct to educate immigrants, and it's not even politically correct to arrest them, lest the police gets called Islamophobic. So what can they do but plug the funnel that's flooding those people into the country? It's not "racist" or xenophobic; they're trying to protect their own at the expense of other countries--And that's the way countries should operate.

Call me an isolationist if you feel, but I feel that a country should put their own needs and the needs of their own citizens first. And right now, Britain needs to deal with their immigration problem, to hell with the EU's demands and the fact that other counties are dependent on them. If the EU can't stand on it's own feet without the UK, then it shouldn't exist.


The value of the pound it's going down, but England will get through it. England's a damn strong country and I'm proud that they're looking out for number 1.

Nalessa
06-26-2016, 08:33 PM
Funny thing is, those taxes are just gonna funnel into all of the rich and powerfuls' pockets regardless.

Your taxes will stay the same, your life will stay the same, the only difference is your "leaders" will now have more money to use for their personal whims and profit instead of giving part of it away.

This brexit is meaningless for anyone that's a regular joe wether it would have stayed or exited, they just used the racist card to make people vote for their personal gain, and it works because it's one of the easiest and oldest tricks to make people hate others, point out their different skin colour or nationality.

HerrRanma
06-27-2016, 09:59 AM
Funny thing is, those taxes are just gonna funnel into all of the rich and powerfuls' pockets regardless.

Your taxes will stay the same, your life will stay the same, the only difference is your "leaders" will now have more money to use for their personal whims and profit instead of giving part of it away.

This brexit is meaningless for anyone that's a regular joe wether it would have stayed or exited, they just used the racist card to make people vote for their personal gain, and it works because it's one of the easiest and oldest tricks to make people hate others, point out their different skin colour or nationality.Lol, who told you that? Your gender studies professor? Man, England is even more backwards that I thought if "leaders" are allowed to pocket tax money. Assuming ANYTHING you said is true. Interestingly, their biggest "leader" just walked out; I guess he didn't want all that free money, right? I mean, David Cameron is SUCH an ethical person! Really good with dead animal rights, from what I hear. XD



The baby boomers are worse.

We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.

Unlike any generation before them, baby boomers, instead of passing the torch down, are trying to desperately hold onto the torch as long as possible, even if it hurts the entire world.
Oh, Apple. Keeping the torch out of the hands of the millenials is the best thing the baby boomers have EVER done. Yes, they were the generation that screwed up the entire civilized world, but that's because they raised their kids into infantile 25 year crybabies drenched in debt in the first place. Seriously, you think that the Baby Boomers are bad about passing the torch? Wait for the narcissistic infantile basement dwellers to pick it up. They'll use it to condemn anyone they don't appreciate, take a selfie with it, and then take it to their graves, because, to hell with their kids; they're more important. Brb, taking a selfie at the abortion clinic gonna post it to Facebook and Twitter! Yay! I got 5 likes and extra credit from my women studies class!

And dude, come on. If millennials wanted the torch, they would have taken it from their parents, but they never did. Why do you think the Brexit passed? Millenials sat on their asses tweeting #remain on Twitter while the Baby Boomers were the ones outside voting. If millenials cared AT ALL, they'd take the torch and run, but they don't. They want to be coddled by their parents and stall their childhood for as long as possible.

Yes, Baby Boomers created the ball, but the millennials are the ones rolling it, causing the problems. If anything, I see baby boomers and generation X voting for Brexit as a kind of amends for their typically poor parenting skills and starting this whole "political correctness" garbage.

RippleApple
06-27-2016, 10:39 AM
Oh, Apple. Keeping the torch out of the hands of the millenials is the best thing the baby boomers have EVER done. Yes, they were the generation that screwed up the entire civilized world, but that's because they raised their kids into infantile 25 year crybabies drenched in debt in the first place.

Tuition's raised by over 1000% when adjusted for inflation since 1960. The baby boomers did that. So in terms of debt? That's because of baby boomers.

Housing cost's increased by a few hundred percent when adjusted for inflation since then as well. It takes about three times as long to buy a house now. That's because of baby boomers.

So not only does it cost more to go to school, and not only is the quality of the education filled with gender studies bullshit, but also it takes MUCH longer to purchase a house. Not only that, but a lot of the best-paying jobs out there are being inhabited by baby boomers who have no idea what they're doing staying for much longer than they need to instead of letting more qualified and more needing people taking their place. The baby boomers DESTROYED our country because of their selfish tendencies. Their socialist choices, them exploding our debt, and not being willing to raise their kids like they're human beings instead of defenseless animals... yeah no. The baby boomers are gonna be a lot worse than the millennials.

RippleApple
06-27-2016, 10:44 AM
As for me... when I see barriers like those I want nothing more than to tear them down just to prove that I can. My entire life is here to give my future children everything they could possibly want, especially a conscience backed by wisdom, but also school and a house to call their own. It's a mundane dream, but it's responsible and good, which is all that matters to me.

I'll do it all on my own if I have to, and if I never find a woman who understands, respects and helps me accomplish that then I guess I'll just always be alone and adopt later in life. It's the only right way through life.

Nalessa
06-27-2016, 01:03 PM
Lol, who told you that? Your gender studies professor? Man, England is even more backwards that I thought if "leaders" are allowed to pocket tax money. Assuming ANYTHING you said is true. Interestingly, their biggest "leader" just walked out; I guess he didn't want all that free money, right? I mean, David Cameron is SUCH an ethical person! Really good with dead animal rights, from what I hear. XD

If you think england is bad for doing it, you really have no clue at all how much murica's politicians leech off of taxpayers' money.
This happens in pretty much every country.

RippleApple
06-27-2016, 03:09 PM
If you think england is bad for doing it, you really have no clue at all how much murica's politicians leech off of taxpayers' money.
This happens in pretty much every country.

The pay of the office of the presidency has actually been steadily declining when adjusted for inflation for a long time now.

What politicians tend to do is use their position to get to know certain people, trade in secrets and learn what the movements of the market are going to be, and then invest accordingly. Insider trading.

HerrRanma
06-30-2016, 09:36 PM
Haaa.... I honestly do believe that millennials are the worst generation right now. The thing is that majority of the points you brought up are true. Leaving to the point that, my problem with millennials have seeded from Baby boomers--Literally making Baby Boomers the entire cause of the millennials being the incompetent pests that they are. Another thing before I get started is that these problems should be shared by Baby Boomers AND Generation X.


Tuition? Gen X and Baby Boomers are selling a product when it comes to college. They are telling Millennials that they are losers if they don't go to college and millennials totally buy into it. Because of that, they go to college right away. In fact, many go to universities right away. Anyone smart will start at a community college and plan to take transition classes to save a few thou. But millennials need the best so they jump right into the cold water without testing it first. From then, Gen X and Baby Boomers are literally doing not much more than just selling the products that millennials want at outlandish prices. I'm no economist, so I can't say WHY the prices are so vicious, but I think it might have to do something with the degrading economy and the fact the EVERYONE wants to show up to universities now--A mix of greed an necessity maybe? But as far a selling the kids what they want: the best example, of course, is gender studies, African-American studies and all the other pathetically useless liberal arts degrees. Yes, I will concede again, Baby Boomers and Gen X told their kids "they can do anything they want" when they grow up, and it doing so, they put their kids on the wrong path, but I think that's because they were naive when it came to raising their kids.

However, as far as the "best paying jobs?" That's not Baby Boomers at all. Firstly, most Baby Boomers are retired or retiring within the next 5-10 years, so it's mostly Gen X with the best jobs. Secondly, we need to wait our turn to get the best jobs. Gen X had to start at the bottom, also. So did the Baby boomers when they initially entered the work force. Yes, it's difficult the the way economy is now, but we can't just rush into the best jobs at 25. Most of my co-workers are making more money that me, but again, most are Generation X. By the time I get to their spot, I'll be making their money and they'll be retired. The PROBLEM is that most millennials don't enter the work force. Yes, its difficult with the economy in the toilet and Millennials avoiding STEM degrees. But personally, most of the Millennials I know (and hear about) are avoiding work by choice, with the narcissistic attitude that they're too good for junk jobs, and leave those to the immigrants, which--Yes--can be traced back to how they were raised as children. Either that, or their mooching off their partners or parents. That is mostly gossip from what I hear at work (I work in a woman dominated field, so everyone's gossiping about their kids or spouse during lunch and after work), but it's what I hear about other millennials.


And honestly, I don't think that Baby Boomers and Gen X have socialist tendencies ANYWHERE on a scale even REMOTELY close to millennials. Yes, both generations voted in Clinton, but he wasn't a socialist. And after him? It was Bush 2.0 for 8 years. But once millennials turned 18 and started voting? Then we got our socialist in the head of the executive office. And hey, I used to be one of them. I remember voting for Obama in '08. I thought nothing more of how great it would be to have a black president. I thought nothing of policies, and heck, I even thought Marxism was a cool idea--Absolutely dazzled by the word "equality." And if that can be traced back to the Baby Boomers and Gen X, then it should solely be targeted to the liberals, because I know a lot of Republicans that despise the left-wing brainwashing going on in the USA's west-coast schools, myself included.



You and I... We're a rare breed. On your second post, I agree with you, every word. It's very uncommon for USA citizens to even WANT to work hard and break down the trials faced in life. I mean, why do you think Bernie Sanders got so popular. It was absolutely obvious to me that he was absolutely insane. The only people wanting to support him were people wanting to deflect all responsibilities of growing up. They want a more powerful government to replace their parents as caretakers; they don't want the responsibilities that comes with growing up.

Yes, I absolutely concede that Baby Boomers are the generation that messed up the world; I even said that in my last post. However, there is no way millennials can fix their mistakes, considering millennials are PART of their mistakes, and I genuinely feel that the world will even get worse in their hands. Like I said, people like us are a rare breed and there's not enough of us to actually fix the world. The best we can do is raise our children right, to the point that THEY can fix the mistakes. Remember, Gen Z was raised by Gen X; and Gen X is making the same mistakes that Baby Boomers made. OUR kids have to fix this, because the incompetence of the majority of millennials is too much to make a difference is the damage Baby Boomers have created.





Sorry if I was preaching to the choir, but wanted to make my response.

RippleApple
07-01-2016, 07:19 AM
Your point about baby boomers not having socialist tendencies... that's true and not true. They tend to hate socialism... but directly benefited from FDR's tenure as president and all the free things given away at that time and still given away today. They're the ones who benefited the most from FDR's legacy. But they don't want to afford the same opportunities to their children or grandchildren. But they also want their children and grandchildren to earn the same things they were given almost for free in comparison, and aren't patient enough to realize that it's nearly impossible to do that.

...Nearly.

Personally I intend to adopt as many teenagers and preteens as I can during my life and give them all a real home and college that I pay for, in exchange for them obeying certain rules. Like not going for a gender studies degree.

Math, science, teaching, nursing... I want them to study things that will actually either help them or other people.

I'm probably too abrasive for any woman to like me, or to even adopt kids that will call me "Dad". But I'd rather be a hero than a dad any day.

JA70330
09-02-2016, 06:00 PM
Im from Britain so let me give you the low down on Brexit and why it was actually Bad for the country. Many young people COULDNT vote because the registration system is stupid. A lot of the statistics on the leave side were proven to be incorrect. the whole "-£350,000,000 a week" argument didnt take into account all the money we get FROM the EU to help with our health programs etc, the real number is about 160,000,000.

Honestly HerrRanma, you just look like some person who wants to go back to the "gold old days", and that anyone who doesnt is a "debt drenched baby", and thats just not good. Just because people campaign for something known as world peace and human rights it does NOT mean they are "sissies" or unpatriotic. Over patriotism is an issue in america. Patriotism is fine, but there is a point where it becomes less patriotic and more "Lets go back to the gold old days when we could do what we want since we are the only country in the world"

Darkfire47
09-03-2016, 05:34 AM
The fact that the population of UK was so divisive over the issue is quite alarming, and should be alarming to the future Brexit government. At least they're able to make their own decisions without Brussels trying to force more EU down their throats regardless of opposition.

The thing is Britain never actually loses many regulation fights. I think they lost around 50 out of 2000 in the time we were in the EU. also Britain does have a veto which it never uses. It's just that some of us British people think that we deserve 'special treatment' when we don't really.

PrincessMegnu
09-13-2016, 12:52 PM
Im from Britain so let me give you the low down on Brexit and why it was actually Bad for the country. Many young people COULDNT vote because the registration system is stupid. A lot of the statistics on the leave side were proven to be incorrect. the whole "-£350,000,000 a week" argument didnt take into account all the money we get FROM the EU to help with our health programs etc, the real number is about 160,000,000.


Can you explain why the registration system was stupid? I know there the website to register to vote crashed a day before as there was a flood of people, who maybe forgot to vote? Or forgot the date? If you're talking about the age restriction of that static of 80% of 16 year old's would vote remain, that survey was taken with over just 1000-not a reliable source to say the majority of under 16'd wanted to vote.

Whilst I agree with the whole £350 million, a lot of Remain campaign was lies to. The agreement of immigrants with France was played upon a lot even though that is a separate agreement not with EU contract. Both parties twisted everything and I think there was very little news sources telling truth from both sides (I'm looking at you BBC)


The thing is Britain never actually loses many regulation fights. I think they lost around 50 out of 2000 in the time we were in the EU. also Britain does have a veto which it never uses. It's just that some of us British people think that we deserve 'special treatment' when we don't really.

That is true-we didn't lose many regulation fights. A lot of the campaign was about control-we'll we've seen the people that are now in control and wooooweee aren't we lucky.
I do have to say though part of a good thing (if we ever, ever leave) is that we don't lose out on subsidiaries-for example the EU allowed French and Italian arable farms to have a cost reduction, whereas English ones weren't allowed. We will control our own reductions for that.

Whatever happens I wished they'd hurry up. It's not like it's peoples futures in the balance or anything.

Darkfire47
09-28-2016, 05:47 PM
A problem is if this takes 3 years, keep in mind that everyone in the country who is 15 or over would probably vote, because a lot of them are very angry because they can't vote but will be over 18 when they leave. Same for older people dying. It could actually swing the referendum result if you wait a while.

Also a 4% majority isn't a realistic mandate to change much, considering many leavers are changing their minds. Some of them didn't even know what they were voting for.

ONLINEPREDATOR
10-26-2016, 06:48 PM
Some of them didn't even know what they were voting for.
That actually applies to most people voting for anything anywhere in the world.